What does Cooper Rush bring to this team?

CowboysFaninHouston said:

what's your choice? complaining alone is not enough. provide options that would be clearly better than Rush and available.

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Great response

There has been no option to upgrade the back up QB position from the greatness of Cooper Rush in the last 2 years

That’s your response?

If Dak misses a game or two all Rush has to do is put up about 17 because our D is going to dominate...........

Arkyvarminter said:

If Dak misses a game or two all Rush has to do is put up about 17 because our D is going to dominate...........

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wishful thinking. I'll believe it when I see it. If the scheme doesn't change (no deception, predictable, safe, etc.), then they'll eventually get lit up, and we won't able to count on them later in the year when it matters.

CyberB0b said:

He's got to be one of the worst backup QBs in the league. Guys like Mark Sanchez and Matt Hasselbeck bounce around the league forever, because they have starting experience and can see the field. It's almost like having an extra coach.

Rush doesn't have starting experience that translates to games or seeing the field as a backup. His skills haven't really improved since he came into the league. Every ball he throws floats forever. No zip at all. He has a long windup, although he does seem to be reasonably accurate, but that's the only trait I can think of that is a positive. He doesn't really have much pocket presence or agility.

I know the peanut gallery will say we are screwed if Dak goes down, but what if it is just a couple of games and we need someone to keep us relevant? I don't think Rush is the guy to do that.

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Rush has looked pretty darn good this preseason, and would have looked even better had a lot of penalties not negated some nice plays and put us in long yardage situations. Granted he doesn't have a cannon, which can be a bit of a problem on the outside throws, but otherwise he has made quick decisions and shown nice touch on his passes.

In short, I don't see the complaint here. No, he isn't a starting quality player, but it's not as if every other team has a starting quality backup. About 1/3 of the NFL doesn't even have a starting quality starter.

KMY_Amber said:

wishful thinking. I'll believe it when I see it. If the scheme doesn't change (no deception, predictable, safe, etc.), then they'll eventually get lit up, and we won't able to count on them later in the year when it matters.

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Really don't care if you believe it or not.......

visionary said:

Great response

There has been no option to upgrade the back up QB position from the greatness of Cooper Rush in the last 2 years

That’s your response?

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I am less concerned about back up QB position as we wanted to draft a QB to develop (ala Mike White). if the development doesn't work, then you draft another one next year. at this point, I don't see much better options. neither do another 25 teams probably who are stuck in the same situation as us.

birdwells1 said:

He was 15-25 for 173 yards, what's horrible about that? His average per attempt was 6.9 yards which is pretty good. I just don't see what was so "horrible" about his performance.

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There wasn't anything horrible, and in fact Rush has looked good this preseason. This is just a complaint opportunity for some, and it doesn't matter how unrealistic the complaint is. Rush is not starting quality, but he has easily done enough to believe he can be a solid backup who can fill in for short periods.

CyberB0b said:

He's got to be one of the worst backup QBs in the league. Guys like Mark Sanchez and Matt Hasselbeck bounce around the league forever, because they have starting experience and can see the field. It's almost like having an extra coach.

Rush doesn't have starting experience that translates to games or seeing the field as a backup. His skills haven't really improved since he came into the league. Every ball he throws floats forever. No zip at all. He has a long windup, although he does seem to be reasonably accurate, but that's the only trait I can think of that is a positive. He doesn't really have much pocket presence or agility.

I know the peanut gallery will say we are screwed if Dak goes down, but what if it is just a couple of games and we need someone to keep us relevant? I don't think Rush is the guy to do that.

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Mark Sanchez was one of the worst QBs to ever play the game. He did not see the field, he was too busy fumbling or throwing picks.

Pokes12 said:

Mark Sanchez was one of the worst QBs to ever play the game. He did not see the field, he was too busy fumbling or throwing picks.

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No, he really wasn't. He wasn't a good NFL QB, but there have been a boatload of QBs that have been worse. The reason you don't know about them as much as Sanchez is they were so bad they never got the chance to play.

OmerV said:

There wasn't anything horrible, and in fact Rush has looked good this preseason. This is just a complaint opportunity for some, and it doesn't matter how unrealistic the complaint is. Rush is not starting quality, but he has easily done enough to believe he can be a solid backup who can fill in for short periods.

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A ‘solid back up’ on a contending team should give yuh a realistic chance to win 2 out of 3 games

You really believe Rush does that?

Reid1boys said:

"Evidence?" So you telling me that the very LIMITED amount we have seen Dak you are ready to jump on the train that says he has improved under Kitna? Cmon, that is ABSURD.

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I would only agree that it's absurd that you can't see the forest for the trees. It's all there for anyone with eyes to see. Too bad you're so blind that you can't see what's obvious. Don't allow your blinding agenda to block your eyes from what so many others are able to see that you wpn't.

You had best be prepared to eat crow in the very near future. Many of those who have seen him in practice during the OTAs, minicamps and now in TC are raving about the changes in his footwork, delivery and accuracy. It's been on display in the preseason games. Pay close attention, minus the negativity. You'll be glad you did.

visionary said:

A ‘solid back up’ on a contending team should give yuh a realistic chance to win 2 out of 3 games

You really believe Rush does that?

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Sure, depending on the game. He probably wouldn't give us a chance to win against NE or the Rams, but odds will be against us in those games even with Dak. But if playing a division team, or Miami or Buffalo, or Detroit or the Jets … sure, I think Rush gives us a realistic chance.

OmerV said:

Sure, depending on the game. He probably wouldn't give us a chance to win against NE or the Rams, but odds will be against us in those games even with Dak. But if playing a division team, or Miami or Buffalo, or Detroit or the Jets … sure, I think Rush gives us a realistic chance.

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And in 2018? And in 2017?
Both of which times he has been the primary back up

I don’t agree but hopefully we won’t have to find out

Cooper Rush can be just as good a backup for us as Jason Garrett was. Meaning, he’d be okay to start for a small stretch.

visionary said:

And in 2018? And in 2017?
Both of which times he has been the primary back up

I don’t agree but hopefully we won’t have to find out

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What about 2018 and 2017? That's past history in which Rush didn't play and therefore nothing happened to either prop him up or hold against him. All there is to judge is now.

If you disagree with me, that's fine. Reasonable people can disagree on this.

But I will say that I think some may have a false impression of the quality of backups around the NFL. I don't think the majority of teams have a backup QB that can step in without the team missing a significant beat. So, while I agree Rush would be a drop off, that's to be expected. That's why backups are backups and not starters.

OmerV said:

What about 2018 and 2017? That's past history in which Rush didn't play and therefore nothing happened to either prop him up or hold against him. All there is to judge is now.

If you disagree with me, that's fine. Reasonable people can disagree on this.

But I will say that I think some may have a false impression of the quality of backups around the NFL. I don't think the majority of teams have a backup QB that can step in without the team missing a significant beat. So, while I agree Rush would be a drop off, that's to be expected. That's why backups are backups and not starters.

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You may have missed it in your faux outrage but the point I was making was that this FO has not prioritized the back up qb posit and hence, the back up QBs last 2 years are part of the evidence

Not my fault that you came in the middle of the discussion

But please carry

OmerV said:

No, he really wasn't. He wasn't a good NFL QB, but there have been a boatload of QBs that have been worse. The reason you don't know about them as much as Sanchez is they were so bad they never got the chance to play.

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8 seasons in the league and played in 6 playoff games, including 2 postseason game winning drives. Look, it is clear he wasn't a great NFL QB, considering he was a backup for the last half of his career, but he had experience and was a solid backup. He was credited with helping Dak come along so quickly in his rookie year.

visionary said:

You may have missed it in your faux outrage but the point I was making was that this FO has not prioritized the back up qb posit and hence, the back up QBs last 2 years are part of the evidence

Not my fault that you came in the middle of the discussion

But please carry

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My faux outrage? lol. You have a flair for melodrama, don't you? Hell, I specifically said it's okay for reasonable people to disagree on this, but I guess it somehow behoove you to ignore that and come up with this "faux outrage" silliness.

As for the past 2 years, again, my comments referred to the current situation at backup QB, and talking about the past doesn't alter what I said about the present.

But if you want me to talk also talk about the past 2 years, I don't mind doing that too. My thoughts on 2017 are pretty much the same as yours - they didn't put serious effort into improving the backup QB position. Fortunately Rush looked very good in preseason in 2017, but that doesn't alter the fact that Rush was far from a serious effort at improvement. But since he did look good in 2017, going into 2018 they had the hope of him continuing to improve with a year behind him, and despite that, they also drafted another QB. Accordingly, it's pretty hard to argue that they weren't making an effort to improve the depth at QB in 2018.

Of course, none of that really matters now. What matters now is where things stand now. I can't condemn Rush in 2019 because I didn't like the effort the Cowboys put into finding a QB in 2017.

CyberB0b said:

8 seasons in the league and played in 6 playoff games, including 2 postseason game winning drives. Look, it is clear he wasn't a great NFL QB, considering he was a backup for the last half of his career, but he had experience and was a solid backup. He was credited with helping Dak come along so quickly in his rookie year.

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As I said, Sanchez is far from one of the worst QBs the NFL has seen.

Bullflop said:

I would only agree that it's absurd that you can't see the forest for the trees. It's all there for anyone with eyes to see. Too bad you're so blind that you can't see what's obvious. Don't allow your blinding agenda to block your eyes from what so many others are able to see that you wpn't.

You had best be prepared to eat crow in the very near future. Many of those who have seen him in practice during the OTAs, minicamps and now in TC are raving about the changes in his footwork, delivery and accuracy. It's been on display in the preseason games. Pay close attention, minus the negativity. You'll be glad you did.

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I will gladly eat crow if Dak tears it up. But he hasnt played a game yet, so for you to jump to this conclusion that he has made massive strides is LAUGHABLE. And I was at training camp, and his accyracy in drills by themselves was ****.