I agree with Jerry, if we sign Zeke to a new deal, what if he holds out again?

buybuydandavis · Aug 31, 2019

Beast_from_East said:
Lets say we sign Zeke to a new 5 year contract...…...2 or 3 years from now, Barkley gets a new market setting contract for a RB, but Zeke still leads the league in rushing every season.

Is Zeke going to say, "that's not fair, I had more yards rushing than Barkley so I need to make more than him" so Zeke holds out again before his contract is up demanding "renegotiation".

Whats to keep Zeke from doing this?

Serious Question.

I was gonna say you can write a contract to prevent it, but really, without trust you can't have a business deal this large.

It's not like the problem of future holdouts is fresh and shiny new for Jerry. It's always *theoretically* a problem, but with basic goodwill and trust, you make the deal anyway.

"How can I trust you to follow through on the deal?" It appears to be an issue for Jerry *with Zeke*.

That's saying "I don't trust you", therefore "I can't make a deal with you". I don't know. Maybe Jerry is just trying to put the fear of a retracted contract into the mind of Zeke's agent.

But moving the "negotiation" from performance to trust is a huge escalation. Not the kind the other guy can really answer. It's more like rhetoric you break out to rationalize not making a deal.

That's kind of crossing the Rubicon.

doomsday9084 · Aug 31, 2019

DallasDW00ds0n said:
I just dont understand how some are eager to move on from Zeke. Probably the most gifted RB weve had since Emmitt

I think Zeke has been huge for Dallas. Certainly a big reason why they have had the record they have since he came here. Losing him would hurt.

That said, there is a real cost to him too. He seems to be a constant headache. The biggest driver to winning and losing is the defense and paying him the contract he wants (more than Gurley) is going to come out of that defense.

I have to ask myself at $16m per year, is the team better off with a cheap running back and an elite safety (for example) than it is with him and a bargain basement safety?

Hopefully this pans out but I think a lot of people are bracing themselves for a complete breakdown. The two sides seem miles off.

buybuydandavis · Aug 31, 2019

doomsday9084 said:
I think Zeke has been huge for Dallas. Certainly a big reason why they have had the record they have since he came here. Losing him would hurt.

The issue with Zeke too is that you don't know how many more years he will be *huge* for Dallas.

Maybe I got spoiled, but it seems like he hasn't had the burst of his rookie year for a while now.

aaev84 · Aug 31, 2019

cheftjpeck said:
Ok first it was the Chiefs who overpaid not the bills ..
Second because one team overpaid for a player with a stupid contract doesn’t mean everyone should ..
Third, you can’t compare a WR contract to a RB contract .. right or wrong it’s just not how this works .. for instance who is a better player right now .. Kirk Cousins or Zeke ? Kirk is making 27 million fully guaranteed .. so Zeke should get 32 million since the Vikings overpaid Kirk then , right ? Of course not ... can’t compare other teams player contract blunders for justification or to set the salary of your own players .. you can simply look at market trends and averages at the specific position :.. throw out the top one (ie Gurley) and the lowest one .. then take your own player , utilize on and off the field history , liabilities .. projected potential , shelf life , and timing at which the player is negotiating ( ie a player with two years left should be a little more flexible and offer not a discount but a compromise to gain more financial freedom earlier than necessary )
To overpay because someone else did or does it is bad business , not following sound thought processes ..

He was with the Bills before. Please reread to discern the context of the argument if you would like.

noshame · Aug 31, 2019

Answer: trade his arse!
He won't do it again.
Here.

sideon · Aug 31, 2019

DallasDW00ds0n said:
I just dont understand how some are eager to move on from Zeke. Probably the most gifted RB weve had since Emmitt

Homers are idiots who are team first and don't use logic.

fairviewfarmer said:
Jerry will over pay Zeke, then Zeke will get hurt and miss most of the season. Just wait and see. Overpaying him will handicap the team for several years. Business is business, let him play under his old contract, or move on.

So you don't want them to pay him based off a scenario you made up in your head?

waldoputty said:
exactly.
extending him now is condoning bad behavior.

pull the offer.
giving him more $ gives him more leverage.

he can play under his rookie contract or not at all.
he wants to come in at game 11 every year.
fine, he loses almost 2/3 of his salary.
draft another rb to pair with pollard.
zeke would be useful for the playoffs, like jerry said

You sound like someone talking to a kid, these are grown *** men who live in the real world. The reality is that they would've used him up and then told him to go let another team pay him what he wants, but Zeke and these other RBs are just smart enough know to see what's going on. The constant Zeke threads and vitriol towards him proves that ya'll don't really believe in guys like Pollard, Weber, & Morris to carry this team to the promise land.

cwbyfan72 · Aug 31, 2019

DallasDW00ds0n said:
I just dont understand how some are eager to move on from Zeke. Probably the most gifted RB weve had since Emmitt

Because he’s proven he’s a headcase off the field. Emmitt was not.

Swanny · Aug 31, 2019

Hawkeye0202 said:
OK find, but what's the excuse for Dak, Coop, and Jones NOT being signed either and they're in camp. Like I said before, yea, there's a better way Zeke could have handled this but Jerry and Stephen's hands are just as dirty IMO.

Dak and Coop Rent signed because they don't want to sign. They should absolutely not sign a contract until the new CBA is in place. Contracts are going to sky rocket with that new CBA

DallasDW00ds0n · Aug 31, 2019

cwbyfan72 said:
Because he’s proven he’s a headcase off the field. Emmitt was not.

When he plays hes the best player on the field. IMO. Pay him and move along. Dak is the one that deserves the hard time on the numbers.

Sarge · Aug 31, 2019

DallasDW00ds0n said:
I just dont understand how some are eager to move on from Zeke. Probably the most gifted RB weve had since Emmitt

There is a salary cap now and it is a PASSING LEAGUE. It is a passing league because the rules have been changed to set it up that way. Some argue that tying up a huge chunk of money on a RB in a passing league is misguided.

Parenthetically, this entire situation is why I didn’t want to draft an RB with the 4th pick in the draft to begin with. I could see this situation coming a mile away.

Cowboysheelsreds053 · Aug 31, 2019

Bob-Lillys-War said:
Jerrah needs to call Zeke directly to Cabo .

Talking to Rocky & his buddy Faulk is a waste of time .

LLLOOOLLL, BOB OH BOB! LLLOOOLLL

Cowboysheelsreds053 · Aug 31, 2019

DallasDW00ds0n said:
When he plays hes the best player on the field. IMO. Pay him and move along. Dak is the one that deserves the hard time on the numbers.

If they give Dak, Russell Wilson money they are crazy, do not care if the next year that is going to be topped by Pat Mahomes.

morasp · Aug 31, 2019

I'm sure Will McClay and crew have a very good list compiled of RBs we could work out or even trade for if our current guys can't get it done. That's pretty much what we did last year with Amari Cooper.

Beast_from_East · Aug 31, 2019

Sarge said:
There is a salary cap now and it is a PASSING LEAGUE. It is a passing league because the rules have been changed to set it up that way. Some argue that tying up a huge chunk of money on a RB in a passing league is misguided.

Parenthetically, this entire situation is why I didn’t want to draft an RB with the 4th pick in the draft to begin with. I could see this situation coming a mile away.

I agree Sarge, drafting Zeke with a top 5 pick was beyond stupid...………………..the pick should have been Ramsey, arguably the best CB in the league now.

Hawkeye19 · Aug 31, 2019

JJ’s argument is a philosophical one... if you don’t honor your current contract, why should I believe you will honor the new one?

It’s a great point— but it changes nothing in the real world. Zeke plays a high risk position with a limited shelf life, and he wants to maximize his earn while he can.

The real issue IMO is twofold:

1. Zeke wants to be paid like he is the best RB in the NFL... but he isn’t. Saquon is.

2. Zeke’s off the field issues are a significant handicap to his long term production. The team has to protect itself against the very threat of suspension every year, or even a permanent ban

Zeke is holding out for top money regardless of the conditions above— therefore, the FO is absolutely correct in fining him, pulling their offer, and making plans to replace Zeke as a Cowboy

Giving into his current demands exposes the team to too much risk and sets an awful precedent for future negotiations with other players and agents

Hadenough · Aug 31, 2019

Beast_from_East said:
Lets say we sign Zeke to a new 5 year contract...…...2 or 3 years from now, Barkley gets a new market setting contract for a RB, but Zeke still leads the league in rushing every season.

Is Zeke going to say, "that's not fair, I had more yards rushing than Barkley so I need to make more than him" so Zeke holds out again before his contract is up demanding "renegotiation".

Whats to keep Zeke from doing this?

Serious Question.

Im going to answer this even though I just dont see that happening. If Dallas hasnt won a SB with Zeke in 2-3 years he will not be worth giving contract too so you let him walk. The next two years are the prime of this team to win a SB.

Beast_from_East · Aug 31, 2019

buybuydandavis said:
I was gonna say you can write a contract to prevent it, but really, without trust you can't have a business deal this large.

It's not like the problem of future holdouts is fresh and shiny new for Jerry. It's always *theoretically* a problem, but with basic goodwill and trust, you make the deal anyway.

"How can I trust you to follow through on the deal?" It appears to be an issue for Jerry *with Zeke*.

That's saying "I don't trust you", therefore "I can't make a deal with you". I don't know. Maybe Jerry is just trying to put the fear of a retracted contract into the mind of Zeke's agent.

But moving the "negotiation" from performance to trust is a huge escalation. Not the kind the other guy can really answer. It's more like rhetoric you break out to rationalize not making a deal.

That's kind of crossing the Rubicon.

Excellent points my friend..................its like a relationship with your significant other..........once trust is gone, its almost impossible to get it back. At that point, its probably in everybody's best interest to just go their separate ways.

I think we may have reached that point with Zeke, too much bad blood and lack of trust to have a solid relationship anymore.........time for trade if I am being totally honest.

Starforever · Aug 31, 2019

Zeke is not holding anyone hostage. What if, what if, what if... He is doing what is best for his future, and I have zero problems with what is going on. The Dallas Cowboys will survive, "Zeke 2019".

Mr. Jerry Jones is making a spectacle of himself, along with his son. No one has actually heard Ezekiel Elliott say one word, and the team is moving forward, concentrating on the Giants.

Venomous rants, and subtleties will not alter what has been done, nor will they have any bearing on the outcome of this negotiation process. Hopefully, both parties will come out unscathed.

Pants · Aug 31, 2019

give him a raise and wait for the next hold out? yes, I can see that happening

but what if in the scenario of upgrading his contract now, and in 3 years he is average (for whatever reason), does he give money back? does ol' JJ renegotiate to a lower #? (of course not)

nut-uh....this is a sticky-wicket that we have going here - I want Zeke on our wall, we NEED Zeke on our wall - but not if that means that we have less soldiers up there as a result

Beast_from_East · Aug 31, 2019

Starforever said:
Zeke is not holding anyone hostage. What if, what if, what if... He is doing what is best for his future, and I have zero problems with what is going on. The Dallas Cowboys will survive, "Zeke 2019".

Mr. Jerry Jones is making a spectacle of himself, along with his son. No one has actually heard Ezekiel Elliott say one word, and the team is moving forward, concentrating on the Giants.

Venomous rants, and subtleties will not alter what has been done, nor will they have any bearing on the outcome of this negotiation process. Hopefully, both parties will come out unscathed.

Zeke is not holding anyone hostage?

He has demanded to be the highest paid RB in NFL history and he will not play a down of football for the team until that happens.

A player under contract refusing to play unless he is made the highest paid in the league at his position. If that is not holding the team hostage, I really dont know what is

I agree with Jerry, if we sign Zeke to a new deal, what if he holds out again?

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