I agree with Jerry, if we sign Zeke to a new deal, what if he holds out again?

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Zeke used to be in the top 1-2 of his position, until he pulled this stunt. Now he has yet another black mark on his resume.
 

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What a small sample size, why don't you look at them all. What stats do the last ten winners provide?
Rules continue to change so why would you go look at how teams won under different rules, or without a cap?

It’s a passing league now and even when it wasn’t emmitt was the first player to be the leading rusher and win a super bowl.

Running is important but having a balanced attack is the most important. Don’t have to have the best rusher in the league to generate a balanced attack.
 

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he has to come in at game 11
if the team sucks without him, it is not winning the superbowl with him.
the last 3 years have told us that, and finally jerry may have learned
I think you are trying to say that one player doesn't make a difference. Yes they do. We saw that with Amari Cooper. Anytime you have a star player missing especially a top 5 at their position type of player it's going to hurt when they are gone and you will reap the rewards when they are there. Trying to make a point that you don't have to have the leagues leading rusher to win the superbowl is mute because we area running team. That's how WE are built. If we get to the superbowl it will be because we ran the ball very well coupled with our defense who has gotten better than it has not just in the last 3 years the last 10 years. Zeke has don't some air headed things but one thing is for sure he is a great player and his teammates love him.
 

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Rules continue to change so why would you go look at how teams won under different rules, or without a cap?

It’s a passing league now and even when it wasn’t emmitt was the first player to be the leading rusher and win a super bowl.

Running is important but having a balanced attack is the most important. Don’t have to have the best rusher in the league to generate a balanced attack.

latest installment of the roughing the passer rule in 2018. Consequences:
  1. It’s a difficult penalty for players to avoid, regardless of intent:The goal of a pass rusher is to get to a quarterback as fast as possible and bring them down, so landing on them is often — if not usually — more of an inevitability than an intentional act to injure. Rolling off of the quarterback in mid-air can be impossible.
  2. Sacking quarterbacks is becoming extremely difficult: Making any contact with a quarterback’s helmet is a penalty and hitting them below the waist is a penalty. Now it’s difficult for pass rushers to hit a quarterback in the midsection without landing on them and earning a penalty.
https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/9...-the-passer-penalty-explanation-clay-matthews

helpless receiver rule also in 2018:
  1. A receiver attempting to catch a pass who has not had time to clearly become a runner. If the player is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player
  2. The intended receiver of a pass in the action during and immediately following an interception or potential interception. If the player is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player.
    Note: Violations of this provision will be enforced after the interception, and the intercepting team will maintain possession
https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/defenseless-player/
 

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Zeke used to be in the top 1-2 of his position, until he pulled this stunt. Now he has yet another black mark on his resume.

He couldn't care less what you and others think about him. Fans being bent out of shape, are the same individuals that would urinate on themselves for an autograph or selfie.
 

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It’s a mistake to reward bad behavior.
It's not bad behavior. He is listening to his agents to do what he hires them to do. I feel both sides are right. Zeke wants security and the new CBA says contracts can be renegotiated in the 3rd year of a rookie deal now. He should have led the league for all three years but he has led two out of three. He has done some air headed stuff but he is no doubt a great player and our best player. A star like him makes a huge difference just as Amari Coopers arrival led us to an 7-1 finish to the season. Or 8-1 ,something like that. So to say if we suck without him we are going to suck with him isnt true . We need zeke and his agents know that. The only way we don't miss zeke is Dak has to become Russell wilson or Pollard is waaaaay better than expected.
 

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Rules continue to change so why would you go look at how teams won under different rules, or without a cap?

It’s a passing league now and even when it wasn’t emmitt was the first player to be the leading rusher and win a super bowl.

Running is important but having a balanced attack is the most important. Don’t have to have the best rusher in the league to generate a balanced attack.

The goal posts keep moving in these discussions. I did not mention having a leading rusher at all. A RB is just as important as any other position on the field, if you want to win.
 

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I think you are trying to say that one player doesn't make a difference. Yes they do. We saw that with Amari Cooper. Anytime you have a star player missing especially a top 5 at their position type of player it's going to hurt when they are gone and you will reap the rewards when they are there. Trying to make a point that you don't have to have the leagues leading rusher to win the superbowl is mute because we area running team. That's how WE are built. If we get to the superbowl it will be because we ran the ball very well coupled with our defense who has gotten better than it has not just in the last 3 years the last 10 years. Zeke has don't some air headed things but one thing is for sure he is a great player and his teammates love him.

one player does make a difference.
if the team, however, sucks without elliott for the 1st 10 games, that means it did not substantially improve from last year.
and we already have seen what the result is in the last 3 years.
jerry finally stated this in his interview.
elliott is not enough.

and if the team does well in the 1st 10 games, then zeke would come back and give it a boost.
like jerry also said, we look forward to having a fresh zeke for the playoffs.
 

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It's not bad behavior. He is listening to his agents to do what he hires them to do. I feel both sides are right. Zeke wants security and the new CBA says contracts can be renegotiated in the 3rd year of a rookie deal now. He should have led the league for all three years but he has led two out of three. He has done some air headed stuff but he is no doubt a great player and our best player. A star like him makes a huge difference just as Amari Coopers arrival led us to an 7-1 finish to the season. Or 8-1 ,something like that. So to say if we suck without him we are going to suck with him isnt true . We need zeke and his agents know that. The only way we don't miss zeke is Dak has to become Russell wilson or Pollard is waaaaay better than expected.

it is behavior that if allowed to proliferate throughout the team, would destroy future negotiations with other stars.
you are allowing a cancer to grow.
kill the cancer by punishing elliott like they should.
force him to play under the rookie contract.
if he gets injured, too bad.
 

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Yes. That's why it surprises me when people say Zeke has no leverage. His leverage is as clear as day. Your above post spells it all out. Dallas is a SB contender with him, not without. Among other things.

I'm not sold on the idea that Zeke makes us a SB contender. I think Gallup, Amari Cooper, Pollard, and our defense will do more to take Dallas to the SB than Zeke has ever thought of doing.
I think this combination of talent will make Zeke wish he was still a Cowboy rather than the fans wishing he was still a Cowboy.
 

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The goal posts keep moving in these discussions. I did not mention having a leading rusher at all. A RB is just as important as any other position on the field, if you want to win.

except with the new rules, a top rb at 15m is not needed when a 2nd tier one at 5-7m will do.
 

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it is behavior that if allowed to proliferate throughout the team, would destroy future negotiations with other stars.
you are allowing a cancer to grow.
kill the cancer by punishing elliott like they should.
force him to play under the rookie contract.
if he gets injured, too bad.

Elliott is not the first one to do it, why is this so problematic?
 

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It's not bad behavior. He is listening to his agents to do what he hires them to do. I feel both sides are right. Zeke wants security and the new CBA says contracts can be renegotiated in the 3rd year of a rookie deal now. He should have led the league for all three years but he has led two out of three. He has done some air headed stuff but he is no doubt a great player and our best player. A star like him makes a huge difference just as Amari Coopers arrival led us to an 7-1 finish to the season. Or 8-1 ,something like that. So to say if we suck without him we are going to suck with him isnt true . We need zeke and his agents know that. The only way we don't miss zeke is Dak has to become Russell wilson or Pollard is waaaaay better than expected.
Security? The contract being offered gives him that. Might want to pick a different argument.
 

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Elliott is not the first one to do it, why is this so problematic?

look at the contracts waiting to be negotiated.
do u really want to encourage cowboy players to hold out a year or 2 years early.
do you want lve to hold until at the end of the 2020 season?
there are consequences for being a weak negotiator.
you are setting a precedent within the team.

elliott needs to be punished for the behavior.
rescind the top-2 offer that was far too high.
force him to play for the rookie contract that he signed.
 

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OK find, but what's the excuse for Dak, Coop, and Jones NOT being signed either and they're in camp. Like I said before, yea, there's a better way Zeke could have handled this but Jerry and Stephen's hands are just as dirty IMO.

I'm not really taking sides here.

I'm looking at this and saying, "what a mess."

Not really a great way to start off your season.
 

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except with the new rules, a top rb at 15m is not needed when a 2nd tier one at 5-7m will do.

That is why Bell wanted his money. The game has changed and RB's are doing more than just running the ball. If you want them to run, block, and catch like receivers, compensate them as such.
 

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fine, he loses almost 2/3 of his salary.
draft another rb to pair with pollard.
zeke would be useful for the playoffs, like jerry said

Actually, I don't think he would be useful at all coming in at the end to "save the day." He led the NFL in fumbles last year among RBs. Can you imagine a rusty Zeke coming in at the end and the Cowboys BENCHING the guy who actually got us there??? Awful player relations and stopid football decision too....just horrid.
Zeke can get gone permanently if he doesn't like what Jerry offered.
 

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That is why Bell wanted his money. The game has changed and RB's are doing more than just running the ball. If you want them to run, block, and catch like receivers, compensate them as such.

how is bell relevant.
how is zeke's security relevant.
i only care about the cowboys.
they have all the leverage.
it is time to use that leverage.
get a rb to go with pollard and let zeke think about his game checks every week.
 

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it is behavior that if allowed to proliferate throughout the team, would destroy future negotiations with other stars.
you are allowing a cancer to grow.
kill the cancer by punishing elliott like they should.
force him to play under the rookie contract.
if he gets injured, too bad.

Agreed. Zeke's risk is no worse than the risk every other player takes. The only difference is, Zeke see's himself as a Prima Donna.
 

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Actually, I don't think he would be useful at all coming in at the end to "save the day." He led the NFL in fumbles last year among RBs. Can you imagine a rusty Zeke coming in at the end and the Cowboys BENCHING the guy who actually got us there??? Awful player relations and stopid football decision too....just horrid.
Zeke can get gone permanently if he doesn't like what Jerry offered.

zeke would have a couple weeks to shake off the rust.
this team is not going anywhere if dak and the wrs dont click without zeke
 
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