If Dak were playing for a Division Rival would you hate to play them?

gjkoeppen said:

Whats funny is very few want to give Prescott the credit for wins but there are more than enough that want to blame him for the losses. Whether anyone likes it, QB's pretty much get the credit for a teams record. It's not right but it happens. When a team is winning the QB gets the credit but if a team is losing it's the QB's fault or it's because the QB isn't any good. Here's an example of how it's not always right. Back in the 70's the Saints weren't very good, but Archie Manning was a good QB yet there were many that put all the blame on him.
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Dak should not ever get credit for the wins or losses. The team wins and loses games. Of course you can always point out the players that contributed to the wins or loss. I have never seen one player win or lose a game by themselves. It’s a team sport.

gjkoeppen said:

Whats funny is very few want to give Prescott the credit for wins but there are more than enough that want to blame him for the losses. Whether anyone likes it, QB's pretty much get the credit for a teams record. It's not right but it happens. When a team is winning the QB gets the credit but if a team is losing it's the QB's fault or it's because the QB isn't any good. Here's an example of how it's not always right. Back in the 70's the Saints weren't very good, but Archie Manning was a good QB yet there were many that put all the blame on him.
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Archie was on bad teams in NO....across the board. He almost looked like Fran Tarkenton scrambling out there too. I think he got his credit. And so was Doug Williams during early Tampa Bay days. I don't think Doug got his.

I think Dak makes great plays, at time, is our QB, but hasn't reached the level we're all hoping for, yet….but I think it is generally the opposite on Dak…..32-16 with wins, comebacks, QBR, leader, etc....losses typically placed on the defense, Zeke minimal yardage (with 8 man fronts), Sean Lee out (again), WRs can't get open, etc....and Skip Bayless usually championing the cause for the Daksters. Did we give Dak all the credit for the Rookie season at 13-3?.....the ROY voters did. Zeke was in that mix all along.....eatin'. QB is the glamorous role indeed. See TRomo….stats, slingin' the ball all over the place, bad coaching, and yet bad or heartbreaking results in the end.

On the other hand, Troy Aikman (HOF) often got characterized as being carried by the great teams Jerry and Jimmy put together. Fortunately for him, 3 SBs put him in Canton while his play (accuracy) and leadership was very telling to the success of those teams. Nobody gives Troy mention before Emmitt or Michael Irvin.

Here is a concept I rarely see discussed.

Dak is a good fit for Dallas. With the current defense and running game, you want a QB that isn't going to lose you games. Just make the simple throws, don't cause any drama, etc. His running is a nice bonus. The durability is key because Dallas doesn't have a functional back up QB.

So, to answer the question, I wouldn't want to face Dak if he had a Dallas like team around him.

People in this thread brought up Archie Manning. What would Dak look like on a team without a running game or poor offensive line? I think it would be really, really ugly. Even if he had a good receiver corps, I think if Dak was facing complex zone blitzes, varying zones, etc. with a defense that didn't care about the run, in situations where he had to throw downfield, he would struggle more than other top QB's.

A guy I would look at on the other end of the spectrum is Winston. The conventional wisdom on him is that he sucks. In his 9 starts, Tampa scored 29 or more points and lost 3 times. They won 3 times in those 9 starts.He had 300 yards 5 times in those 9 games. Basically, this is a QB who is put behind the 8 ball to win games a lot and it is making him look worse than he is. QB's get too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses. Dak and Winston are the opposite examples of that.

PAPPYDOG said:

McNabb was 10 times the QB Dak is....please don't insult the game of football.....

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jnday said:

I am an exception. I can promise you that my IQ is 25 points higher than either one of you. Just because you disagree with someone, don’t make the mistake of thinking that they are smarter than them.

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Oh, you can “promise me” that? Someone’s getting frazzled!

The guy who “doesn’t judge people” has seemingly judged me as being unintelligent. You’re not even smart enough to see how ridiculous your contradictions are.

You’re also not smart enough to know the difference between “there” and “their”, so there’s that.

My IQ would put yours and Pappy’s to shame. Don’t forget that you grouped yourself in with him because you both “know how to evaluate QBs”.

COLT McCOY!!!!


“B-b-but my FB friends all agree with my mind-numbingly stupid takes.”

jnday said:

I am not judging you. I don’t know you, but I can clearly see how you behave. I never said that I was ever going to make it big playing football. Believe it or not, their is life other than this board. Other groups have just as credibility as this board does. Yes, I did point out a poll that was taken and it really seems to offend you. You might not believe it, but your opinions reflect a small minority of the fanbase. This board is the one and only place that so many Dakonians congregate to. I am a member of several of these types of message boards and lost count of how many FB Cowboys groups I am a member of . I joined two more today, so I have seen a lot of fans opinions and they differ from yours, but they are just as valid.

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“Believe it or not, their is life other than this board”

The uneducated know-nothing who 1) can’t properly differentiate between “there” and “their”, and 2) thinks Colt McCoy is just as good as Dak Prescott.... has the nerve to boast to a stranger that his IQ is 25 points higher than theirs.

Only on the internet!

Wood said:

I wouldn't worry about him too much because he hasn't shown he could be the focal point yet. If Wentz were on Cowboys and Dak with Eagles I would feel the Cowboys were on verge of what they did in 90's with those Super Bowls.

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Yep. When I saw him go 5-6 last season I knew we were witnessing the start of a new dynasty.

jnday said:

I never stated that I disliked Wilson. I would take over Dak any day. I do agree with Pappy much more than I agree with some others on this board, including you, so I have no problem being grouped with him. Unlike you, I do not judge the posters on this board and I sure don’t think I am smarter than anybody else in this board. You don’t know these posters or their backgrounds , but you arrogantly judge them anyway which tells me everything I need to know about you. You can’t be very old because you would know better than to insult anybody that disagrees with you. Maybe you will grow up one day. I sure hope so.

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The level of self awareness in this post

jnday said:

Dak should not ever get credit for the wins or losses. The team wins and loses games. Of course you can always point out the players that contributed to the wins or loss. I have never seen one player win or lose a game by themselves. It’s a team sport.

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There are times when a player is the reason for a win or loss. A game against the vikings went to overtime and Emmitt broke a 42 yard run for a TD. I think that would qualify for a winning player. But in most games I agree it is a team effort whether they win or lose.
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Cmac said:

Archie was on bad teams in NO....across the board. He almost looked like Fran Tarkenton scrambling out there too. I think he got his credit. And so was Doug Williams during early Tampa Bay days. I don't think Doug got his.

I think Dak makes great plays, at time, is our QB, but hasn't reached the level we're all hoping for, yet….but I think it is generally the opposite on Dak…..32-16 with wins, comebacks, QBR, leader, etc....losses typically placed on the defense, Zeke minimal yardage (with 8 man fronts), Sean Lee out (again), WRs can't get open, etc....and Skip Bayless usually championing the cause for the Daksters. Did we give Dak all the credit for the Rookie season at 13-3?.....the ROY voters did. Zeke was in that mix all along.....eatin'. QB is the glamorous role indeed. See TRomo….stats, slingin' the ball all over the place, bad coaching, and yet bad or heartbreaking results in the end.

On the other hand, Troy Aikman (HOF) often got characterized as being carried by the great teams Jerry and Jimmy put together. Fortunately for him, 3 SBs put him in Canton while his play (accuracy) and leadership was very telling to the success of those teams. Nobody gives Troy mention before Emmitt or Michael Irvin.

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First off Aikman was ALWAYS recognized for his leadership, accuracy, arm strength and the ability to make any throw. He was mentioned first as part of the triplets as much as Emmitt and Irvin was/is. Going by what you're saying you're giving credit to the wrong coach. Johnson didn't call the plays, it was Norv Turner and Ernie Zampese who called the plays during the 90's.

It's also true that receivers that drop balls also make the QB look bad. Bryant LED THE LEAGUE in drops in 2017 and Beasley had more drops in 2017 than the previous 2 seasons. Last year it was obvious to most the the defense which allowed not just ONE but TWO ram RB's to rush for over 100 yards and gave up 30 points in a divisional playoff game. So for you to imply a failure of Prescott for not winning any Super Bowls is just more Prescott hating.
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gjkoeppen said:

First off Aikman was ALWAYS recognized for his leadership, accuracy, arm strength and the ability to make any throw. He was mentioned first as part of the triplets as much as Emmitt and Irvin was/is. Going by what you're saying you're giving credit to the wrong coach. Johnson didn't call the plays, it was Norv Turner and Ernie Zampese who called the plays during the 90's.

It's also true that receivers that drop balls also make the QB look bad. Bryant LED THE LEAGUE in drops in 2017 and Beasley had more drops in 2017 than the previous 2 seasons. Last year it was obvious to most the the defense which allowed not just ONE but TWO ram RB's to rush for over 100 yards and gave up 30 points in a divisional playoff game. So for you to imply a failure of Prescott for not winning any Super Bowls is just more Prescott hating.
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Misquoted obviously.....didn't imply Dak is a failure...he just not being anointed alone. Wheres the drop ball come from if the low, behind, high balls don't come up?

Nav22 said:

The guy who cited a FB poll as proof of ANYTHING is telling me to grow up?


Mr. High and Mighty doesn’t “judge posters on this board”, then goes on to judge me.


Too bad those back issues of yours kept you from making it big. Oh well, there’s always your MULTIPLE FB Cowboys groups! Never mind how you decided they’re more credible than CZ!

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Ok, you two! You better start behaving and loving each other! Don't make me drop my mod hammer!

Id be worried if he had the ball with a chance to win late innthe 4th

Why would anyone fear Dak ? The players do not ! If they did he would have made the top 100 for the last 2 yrs.

But I would love too see him on another team......let's make that happen... but it will not be for 30 mill a yr.

jnday said:

Dak should not ever get credit for the wins or losses. The team wins and loses games. Of course you can always point out the players that contributed to the wins or loss. I have never seen one player win or lose a game by themselves. It’s a team sport.

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Baseball is the only (major) team sport in which a single player, pitchers, can reasonably be assigned wins or losses. A pitcher takes the mound and his skill set determines whether it can offset the skill set of each player of the opposing team on a one-on-one basis at every at bat. A pitcher's good or better performance can usually decide a victory or loss even after factoring in the contributions of his teammates--of whom's individual skills do not often come into play until a pitch is hit into fair territory.

All that said, even the distinction of pitchers rightfully getting 'all' the glory or blame has been minimized by the ever increasing use of relief pitchers and closers over the past three decades. It has really watered down which pitcher has secured the win or underachieved against the opposite lineup.

Cmac said:

Misquoted obviously.....didn't imply Dak is a failure...he just not being anointed alone. Wheres the drop ball come from if the low, behind, high balls don't come up?

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The NFL only considers a ball that is considered as catchable and not caught as a drop. Your idea of low or behind are not counted as drops. Again when receivers weren't dropping balls Prescott had a impressive passer rating.
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Nav22 said:

“Believe it or not, their is life other than this board”

The uneducated know-nothing who 1) can’t properly differentiate between “there” and “their”, and 2) thinks Colt McCoy is just as good as Dak Prescott.... has the nerve to boast to a stranger that his IQ is 25 points higher than theirs.

Only on the internet!

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I really like how you follow me around like a lost puppy. Yes, McCoy is among tons of scrubs in this league with better passing ability than Dak. I will make sure to remind you of this every week of the season. I am guilty of not proofreading my post and I will sometimes go with the word suggested by my IPhone from my useage history. It happens. You got me. Oh, what will I do now?

That's a funny way, but good way to evaluate Dak. No I would not fear playing a Dak quarterbacked team.

I would if they had our OL, our D, our WR talent and our depth.