Why Collins all of a sudden long term deal?

blumayne38 · Sep 3, 2019

Continuity. O lines need it and this team has a group of guys that have it. Im not mad, just surprised.

Howboutdemcowboys31 · Sep 3, 2019

Been a fan of everything they’ve done this off season minus this extension. He’s just not that good and we could’ve got a nice comp pick in return

Frosty · Sep 3, 2019

IMO the signings are more about the upcoming CBA deal. Jerry has been a key player in the negotiations. Players and Teams trying to get deals done before the CBA negotiations heat up. Jerry might know the player contracts are about to balloon.

Altestic · Sep 3, 2019

Beaker42 said:
La’el is not good - he’s an average at best at RT. Watch how many times he gets beat to the outside. I’m setting the over under at 12.

He gave up a grand total of 3 sacks in 2017 against a true gauntlet-

JPP x2
Von Miller (got him for 2 out of the 3 sacks)
Brandon Graham x2
Ryan Kerrigan x2
Joey Bosa
Justin Houston
Clay Matthews when he was still somewhat good
Khalil Mack
Vic Beasley Jr.
Chandler Jones

Would you fare better lined up man-to-man against these guys? Remember Garrett doesn't believe in chipping.

Beaker42 · Sep 3, 2019

blumayne38 said:
He aint that bad, hes been a complete steal

Yeah, maybe. He’s a fish out of water at RT though. He fights it waaaay more than a natural RT would.

FuzzyLumpkins · Sep 3, 2019

I remember everyone had kittens when we extended Flozell Adams.

atlantacowboy · Sep 3, 2019

MichaelWinicki said:
There is merit to your argument.

A certain amount of this (from the Cowboys perspective) is "How high of a ceiling does this player have?"

If he becomes a top 5 (or even top 10) guy this season, then he's going to be paid by someone else like a #1 guy in free agency. That's how this works. The Bills have the highest paid center in the game now but he was arguably maybe top-10 at best for KC last year. Some desperate team will always bend over for good (but not great) talent.

You either try to sign these guys early before they peak or you'll have to pay beyond their value after they peak.

And you think the Bills did the smart thing and KC should have overpaid to keep this guy? I would argue KC is the smarter team and made a better decision.

Did we improve re-signing Collins? Nope All we accomplished today was locking down a mediocre RT and making his agent very happy.

kumizi · Sep 3, 2019

Rockport said:
Well, unlike the you and a host of others, I know my limitations. QB and RB are really the only positions us fans can be fairly accurate on. For the QB position, many posters however are influenced what the national media take is as long as it’s negative.

No one is going by the national media take. Can you point to one data set that shows alarm Collins is one of the better tackles in football? I can point you to a data set that shows he is average.

MichaelWinicki · Sep 3, 2019

atlantacowboy said:
And you think the Bills did the smart thing and KC should have overpaid to keep this guy? I would argue KC is the smarter team and made a better decision.

Did we improve re-signing Collins? Nope All we accomplished today was locking down a mediocre RT and making his agent very happy.

No, if anything the Bills did the what they feel they needed to do and there will always be a team out there that will overpay.

The reports on Collins from this past training camp have been very good.

Let's revisit this at the end the season to see where he's at in his development.

And the Chiefs... Well they have to replace a top-15 center which isn't going to be easy.

atlantacowboy · Sep 3, 2019

Risen Star said:
He's a former scout.

So is Larry Lacewell.

Kingofholland · Sep 3, 2019

blumayne38 said:
Hmm, yup sounds about right. Well hopefully zeke gets the pen out. Or else by week 8 we are gonna be inking in maher for 5 years 50 million

That's Damn funny. Will there be a slice left for Heath too, or will he be picking off pieces of pepperoni?

Rockport · Sep 3, 2019

kumizi said:
No one is going by the national media take. Can you point to one data set that shows alarm Collins is one of the better tackles in football? I can point you to a data set that shows he is average.

Hate on bro.

atlantacowboy · Sep 3, 2019

MichaelWinicki said:
No, if anything the Bills did the what they feel they needed to do and there will always be a team out there that will overpay.

The reports on Collins from this past training camp have been very good.

Let's revisit this at the end the season to see where he's at in his development.

And the Chiefs... Well they have to replace a top-15 center which isn't going to be easy.

La'El isn't a rookie. He's a 5th year pro and hasn't flashed elite potential as a right tackle. On a second contract , you pay based on what the player has done not what you HOPE they will do. Then again, nobody has ever accused this front office of being savvy.

MichaelWinicki · Sep 3, 2019

atlantacowboy said:
La'El isn't a rookie. He's a 5th year pro and hasn't flashed elite potential as a right tackle. On a second contract , you pay based on what the player has done not what you HOPE they will do. Then again, nobody has ever accused this front office of being savvy.

You have the perception that he's a worse OT than what the Cowboys braintrust does.

That's fine.

What's done is done.

Cowboysfan1975 · Sep 3, 2019

For hell sake. Can we have one thread that doesn't turn into a giant pissing match?

DeaconMoss · Sep 3, 2019

LC moves to LT. Smith cant make it another season or 2.

Reid1boys · Sep 3, 2019

blumayne38 said:
Did zeke have anything to do with this? Did he demand that la'el be paid now? Just seems odd, did we expect collins to get a long term, like this instant? Before or just before zeke may get his multi year deal? Hmm I'm thinking zeke said something to the likes of "la'el needs to be paid, i feel comfortable running behind him." "If I'm gonna take any less then X, la'el needs to get paid." And so on so forth with demands that I can only imagine were said and denied or accepted by the Jones's...lol. Who knows

we only know what the Jones' let us know. I had heard nothing about Colins, but that doesnt mean they werent working on this for a couple months. This is another example of Jerry being loyal to people he feels treated him well.

Reid1boys · Sep 3, 2019

atlantacowboy said:
Most money guaranteed a right tackle in NFL history. Very bizarre signing. Pretty sure Collins is not one the top 10 right tackles in the NFL.

Jerry could see where the cap is headed... and in 2 years, this may look like a cheap bargain.

TwoCentPlain · Sep 3, 2019

Rockport said:
Maybe it’s because he’s good.

And he wants to be in Dallas for his entire career. I like players like Collins and Jaylon Smith who want to be here and enjoy playing for Dallas. Now we need to lock up the other Collins on the DL.

Why Collins all of a sudden long term deal?

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