Still believe what the Jones boys say?

Jumbo075 · Sep 4, 2019

Bobhaze said:
When it became apparent Zeke was holding out at the beginning of training camp this summer, Stephen Jones famously declared, “We’re not going to set the market.”

Jerry made chest thumping declarations implying opposition to Zeke’s contract position. Remember “Zeke Who”? Remember his long winded wandering defiant answers at Jaylon Smith’s contract extension press conference? Or his calls to a Dallas radio station?

I don’t have a problem with Zeke’s contract. Glad he’s getting paid. My problem is with the frequent and distracting mouth running of our front office. The Jones boys love to talk. But in the end, they don’t say much that ends up being true.

Todd Gurley got a $21M signing bonus
Ezekiel Elliott got a $7.5M signing bonus

_sturt_ · Sep 4, 2019

Bobhaze said:
When it became apparent Zeke was holding out at the beginning of training camp this summer, Stephen Jones famously declared, “We’re not going to set the market.”

Jerry made chest thumping declarations implying opposition to Zeke’s contract position. Remember “Zeke Who”? Remember his long winded wandering defiant answers at Jaylon Smith’s contract extension press conference? Or his calls to a Dallas radio station?

I don’t have a problem with Zeke’s contract. Glad he’s getting paid. My problem is with the frequent and distracting mouth running of our front office. The Jones boys love to talk. But in the end, they don’t say much that ends up being true.

In my best Lee Corso voice.... not so fast!....

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/ezekiel-elliott-real-contract-numbers.439244/page-9#post-9401224

Bobhaze · Sep 4, 2019

Jumbo075 said:
Todd Gurley got a $21M signing bonus
Ezekiel Elliott got a $7.5M signing bonus

Gurley guaranteed money=$47.5 mil.
Zeke guaranteed money= $50 mil.

Per Tyler Sullivan of CBSSports.com:
“Elliott raised the bar and became the highest paid back in NFL history, agreeing to a six-year, $90 million deal with the Cowboys. In total, this contract now links him to Dallas for the next eight years at $103 million. His is also reportedly at $50 million of his contract to be guaranteed, which is higher than Rams running back Todd Gurley. Elliott is also the first Dallas Cowboy to eclipse $100 million.”

Zeke is in line to be the highest paid rb in NFL. And I’m fine with this contract. I just find it humorous when Stephen says they aren’t setting the market. Or Jerry calls radio stations to explain how tough his stance will be.

_sturt_ · Sep 4, 2019

Bobhaze said:
I just find it humorous when Stephen says they aren’t setting the market. Or Jerry calls radio stations to explain how tough his stance will be.

All I know is you need to look under that hood, Bob, and not be quite so quickly drawn to how flashy that Trans Am looks on the outside.

That's coming from someone who, like you, also came here and made fun of the Jones' seeming smoke. At first.

ArtClink · Sep 4, 2019

Bobhaze said:
Gurley guaranteed money=$47.5 mil.
Zeke guaranteed money= $50 mil.

Per Tyler Sullivan of CBSSports.com:
“Elliott raised the bar and became the highest paid back in NFL history, agreeing to a six-year, $90 million deal with the Cowboys. In total, this contract now links him to Dallas for the next eight years at $103 million. His is also reportedly at $50 million of his contract to be guaranteed, which is higher than Rams running back Todd Gurley. Elliott is also the first Dallas Cowboy to eclipse $100 million.”

Zeke is in line to be the highest paid rb in NFL. And I’m fine with this contract. I just find it humorous when Stephen says they aren’t setting the market. Or Jerry calls radio stations to explain how tough his stance will be.

No disputing those facts and details.

buybuydandavis · Sep 4, 2019

Bobhaze said:
When it became apparent Zeke was holding out at the beginning of training camp this summer, Stephen Jones famously declared, “We’re not going to set the market.”

Jerry made chest thumping declarations implying opposition to Zeke’s contract position. Remember “Zeke Who”? Remember his long winded wandering defiant answers at Jaylon Smith’s contract extension press conference? Or his calls to a Dallas radio station?

I don’t have a problem with Zeke’s contract. Glad he’s getting paid. My problem is with the frequent and distracting mouth running of our front office. The Jones boys love to talk. But in the end, they don’t say much that ends up being true.

It's unclear that they did set the market.

$28M guaranteed at signing (signing bonus + 2019 salary + 2020 salary + 2020 option bonus)
2020 Option Bonus: $13M (guaranteed, paid 3/22/2020)
2021 salary fully guarantees on 3/22/2020 (injury guaranteed now)
2022 salary fully guarantees on the 5th league day of 2021 (injury guaranteed now)

As I read this, Spotrac has said "option bonus" twice for 2020. Implies that they can just wave Zeke goodbye before 3/22 with no further payment. An "option" means that you don't have to pick up 2020.

That would leave Zeke with getting this year's salary and his signing bonus, 8.25mil, 4.5mil or so above this year's salary. (I'm too lazy to calc more precisely.) That ain't setting any market.

Could be that Spotrac just got it wrong with the "option", as they do also say 28M guaranteed at signing. Go with that.

So,
4 years at 50
5 years at 60
6 years at 70

Does that really "set the market"? I don't think so. It's complicated, because Zeke was already under contract this year for 3.8.

Gurley was in the same situation. He got 4 for 49, *but* he was only due 2m on his 4th year of his rookie contract, while Zeke was due 3.8m.

While Zeke got the bigger absolute pay, Gurley got the bigger *bounce* for the *extra* years. that 1.8 mil margin between their rookie contracts for this year gives room for both sides to save face and claim victory in the "set the market" claim.

I'm still interested to see whether 2020 is truly optional. That would be one sweet move by Jerry. Conspicuously, the Gurley and Zeke contracts are different on just this point, of the guaranteed money due the first year, with Gurley getting 22mil up front, and Zeke only getting 8.25mil.

buybuydandavis · Sep 4, 2019

PA Cowboy Fan said:
They love to negotiate in the media. Biggest problem I have with them through the whole thing. Keep your mouth shut. All it did was get the fans in a frenzy. lol

Jerry makes money on eyeballs.

I still think it's entirely possible they had the contract done long ago and keep up "negotiations" in public to keep the eyeballs glued to the Cowboys.

xwalker · Sep 4, 2019

Bobhaze said:
When it became apparent Zeke was holding out at the beginning of training camp this summer, Stephen Jones famously declared, “We’re not going to set the market.”

Jerry made chest thumping declarations implying opposition to Zeke’s contract position. Remember “Zeke Who”? Remember his long winded wandering defiant answers at Jaylon Smith’s contract extension press conference? Or his calls to a Dallas radio station?

I don’t have a problem with Zeke’s contract. Glad he’s getting paid. My problem is with the frequent and distracting mouth running of our front office. The Jones boys love to talk. But in the end, they don’t say much that ends up being true.

They didn't:

Which number is larger, 13.3 or 12.5?

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/realistic-contract-values-for-zeke-vs-gurley.439309/

Corso · Sep 4, 2019

_sturt_ said:
In my best Lee Corso voice.... not so fast!....

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/ezekiel-elliott-real-contract-numbers.439244/page-9#post-9401224

Lee is my tio. He doesn't know it...

nightrain · Sep 4, 2019

Bobhaze said:
When it became apparent Zeke was holding out at the beginning of training camp this summer, Stephen Jones famously declared, “We’re not going to set the market.”

Jerry made chest thumping declarations implying opposition to Zeke’s contract position. Remember “Zeke Who”? Remember his long winded wandering defiant answers at Jaylon Smith’s contract extension press conference? Or his calls to a Dallas radio station?

I don’t have a problem with Zeke’s contract. Glad he’s getting paid. My problem is with the frequent and distracting mouth running of our front office. The Jones boys love to talk. But in the end, they don’t say much that ends up being true.

It's a bonafide $#%^show

Bobhaze · Sep 4, 2019

buybuydandavis said:
It's unclear that they did set the market.

$28M guaranteed at signing (signing bonus + 2019 salary + 2020 salary + 2020 option bonus)

2020 Option Bonus: $13M (guaranteed, paid 3/22/2020)

2021 salary fully guarantees on 3/22/2020 (injury guaranteed now)

2022 salary fully guarantees on the 5th league day of 2021 (injury guaranteed now)

As I read this, Spotrac has said "option bonus" twice for 2020. Implies that they can just wave Zeke goodbye before 3/22 with no further payment. An "option" means that you don't have to pick up 2020.

That would leave Zeke with getting this year's salary and his signing bonus, 8.25mil, 4.5mil or so above this year's salary. (I'm too lazy to calc more precisely.) That ain't setting any market.

Could be that Spotrac just got it wrong with the "option", as they do also say 28M guaranteed at signing. Go with that.

So,
4 years at 50
5 years at 60
6 years at 70

Does that really "set the market"? I don't think so. It's complicated, because Zeke was already under contract this year for 3.8.

Gurley was in the same situation. He got 4 for 49, *but* he was only due 2m on his 4th year of his rookie contract, while Zeke was due 3.8m.

While Zeke got the bigger absolute pay, Gurley got the bigger *bounce* for the *extra* years. that 1.8 mil margin between their rookie contracts for this year gives room for both sides to save face and claim victory in the "set the market" claim.

I'm still interested to see whether 2020 is truly optional. That would be one sweet move by Jerry. Conspicuously, the Gurley and Zeke contracts are different on just this point, of the guaranteed money due the first year, with Gurley getting 22mil up front, and Zeke only getting 8.25mil.

You’re right bbd, it is complicated. Complicated enough for most people to be able to argue either way on “setting the market”. It would never even be a question if this FO acted like 31 other FOs when it comes to public statements. I don’t have a problem with Zeke getting paid. I just wish for once these clowns in the FO would act more professional by closing their mouths.

Zeke deserves to be paid as top RB. But I do have a concern about this team putting so much cap space into a big time RB. I don’t think it’s a formula for playoff success in the 21st century but maybe these guys will make new history. I hope so.

Fire407 · Sep 4, 2019

I wish the Jones wouldn't negotiate in public. The Rams quietly managed the Goff deal, but Jerry actually had to lie in public. I'm pretty sure that Dak will set the market above Goff now and Cooper might even be the highest paid receiver. I have no problem with the contracts, just the Jones boys acting tough in public to get attention.

buybuydandavis · Sep 4, 2019

Bobhaze said:
You’re right bbd, it is complicated. Complicated enough for most people to be able to argue either way on “setting the market”. It would never even be a question if this FO acted like 31 other FOs when it comes to public statements. I don’t have a problem with Zeke getting paid. I just wish for once these clowns in the FO would act more professional by closing their mouths.

Zeke deserves to be paid as top RB. But I do have a concern about this team putting so much cap space into a big time RB. I don’t think it’s a formula for playoff success in the 21st century but maybe these guys will make new history. I hope so.

There would have been the comparison to Gurley regardless. Closest comp.

I probably wouldn't have paid. I'd roll with what we got for the first half of the season. Zeke had to come back for the back half of the season to accrue a season anyway. We lose something while playing without Zeke this year. We lose something while paying elite money to a RB who isn't elite anymore in the future too. We could recoup cap and bonus, and he could come back fresh for the back half of the season, and the playoffs.

Better a year early than a year too late.

But expecting Jerry not to negotiate in public is to not understand Jerry. He's in the sports entertainment business. Zeke's contract was the biggest NFL story all summer. Can't expect Jerry to leave all that money on the table.

kskboys · Sep 4, 2019

buybuydandavis said:
Jerry makes money on eyeballs.

I still think it's entirely possible they had the contract done long ago and keep up "negotiations" in public to keep the eyeballs glued to the Cowboys.

I considered that possibility myself, and didn't rule it out.

john van brocklin · Sep 4, 2019

blueblood70 said:
id say Gurley and the Rams did , did they not start all this?. now they paid that JAG Goff 33 mil..now they have the highest paid RB, a 33mil QB, and the highest paid DT in the legue..

id say welcome to the new NFL..this has just begun..this is the new realities and nothing the Jones boys can be faulted for..

again why does what the owners spend on players become so important to the FAN..watch the dang games!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! contracts and money have no ;lace to get fans riled up this much..

we watch and comment on games.. not money.. unless you are the Packers who the fans actually are stock holders , this should not matter one bit.. something to talk about but passing blame and getting into heated arguments.. just not smart

Its not my money, but i worry about the salary cap

Bob-Lillys-War · Sep 4, 2019

_sturt_ said:
In my best Lee Corso voice.... not so fast!....

https://cowboyszone.com/threads/ezekiel-elliott-real-contract-numbers.439244/page-9#post-9401224

oh oh , looks like zeke got played ...

Seven · Sep 4, 2019

Never have......never will.

Billionaires live in a completely different universe. Especially when they are born into it.

I can't think like that....... wouldn't even know where to begin. JMO.

_sturt_ · Sep 4, 2019

Corso said:
Lee is my tio. He doesn't know it...

Thanks for letting me borrow your voice, Lee.

BigCatMonaco · Sep 4, 2019

Zeke is on a deal that pays him 102 million cash value over the next 8 seasons.

That’s an average of 12,869,000 per season.

Bells deal gives him 52/4 which is 13.25 per season.
Gurleys is 71.5/6 which is 11.9 per

They set the market with guarantees overall.
Not with average salary.

blueblood70 · Sep 5, 2019

john van brocklin said:
Its not my money, but i worry about the salary cap

we should not worry, it has nothing to do with Fandom..lets concentrate on whats o the field and how they play..

you know the rams have signed Cook, Donald, Gurley, and Goff to HUGE guaranteed contracts..at this point nearly double in guarantees we have out now so should we sign Dak and Amari soon we are in line to be on the Rams blueprint..they made the sb last year..

Its not like the Joneses are the ones starting this as some posts around here allege..its happening around the league and you either are NE who are alone in paying less and winning or the paying less and losing because you cant win like NE, so you are on the other side and take risk with your stars making up a big part of the cap and fill in with good drafting and smart cheaper FAS..

lets watch and cheer football instead of worry how the FO management get around the cap.. they know what they are doing but the window is open for short period. If this doesnt produce a SB appearance or win in say 3-4 years the Cap will catch up and again like everyone else not NE you blow it up and start over..

Still believe what the Jones boys say?

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