It seems that Trysten Hill belongs on a milk carton

kskboys · Sep 10, 2019

kumizi said:
The book on Hill isn't even close to being closed.....

but I think you can be a fan of the team, agree that they're one of the better drafting teams in the league, and still admit that taking Hill over Thornhill was probably a big mistake.

Too early to even conclude that. If Hill is the next Geno Atkins, it was a great pick.

Whyjerry · Sep 10, 2019

Verdict said:
It’s pretty unusual when your second round pick (and highest pick overall) can’t make the active game day roster. So far it seems that Hill belongs on a milk carton.

It’s obviously too early to call him a busy and he may still end up setting the world on fire, but it seems like an indictment of this pick sincerely Taco was essentially forced on the 46 man roster.

Based on what we have seem so far, the team either doesn’t know how to evaluate interior DL players or is looking for the wrong traits in said players.

So many of us have been begging for a trash can full of dirt at the 1 Tech, and the team will have none of it.

Marinelli’s “Rushmen” are not getting to the QB and putting much pressure on opposing QBs. We are also not solid against the run at times even when we should be.

What do you guys thing about this fact?

I think Marinelli should be chopped and we should find a DL coach that knows how to make the most out of the DL players and we should change what we are looking for in the DL, especially at the 1 Tech.

Not Hill’s fault. Remember the guy had a 3 or 4 round grade by most. Did not play a lot in college. Dallas reached for him big time. Maybe he is a great athlete but not a good football player. That happens often.

CowboyRoy · Sep 10, 2019

gimmesix said:
I would think the scouts who brought it to McClay's attention would be first in line. Then, McClay. Then, Marinelli and his coaches.

I really do not know how much weight Marinelli actually has in the evaluation process. I'm sure the scouting department wants to get someone who is a good fit for his scheme, but other than that, I'm not sure he has a button to push that says he wants a specific player. He likely gives his input from speaking and working with a player after that player is under consideration and it is valued to an extent ... but if I'm the guy whose head is on the chopping block, so to speak, concerning draft picks, I'm not going to pick a player strictly based on Marinelli's opinion, especially since Marinelli's never shown that he's particularly good at that aspect of the game.

It's kind of like the Joey Ivie pick that Marinelli gets blasted over. It was a late-rounder when there are a lot of players that teams take a flier on. It wasn't like anyone knew whether he'd turn out to be worthwhile, but Marinelli getting excited about it seems to have made a lot of fans use that as a sign that taking him was Marinelli's fault. I don't see anyone blaming the secondary coaches for us taking Marquez White a round earlier than that or the running back coach for Bo Scarbrough being taken in the seventh round the next year and failing. (Maybe we just blame the coordinators and head coach?)

I tend to blame the scouting department when draft picks fail and give them credit when draft picks succeed, because I really can't say I know the process beyond that.

I think these Dlineman are all Marinelli. And it was the senior bowl or some college event that they really became high on Hill. The coaches were there.

ghst187 · Sep 10, 2019

He’s just not good right now, check back towards end of season.....

JBond · Sep 10, 2019

CowboyRoy said:
Taco I wrote off early because he was soo bad it was obvious.

Hill I won’t write off but I still don’t agree with passing on some great safeties that dropped into our lap.

I agree about the safety misses. Hope Hill proves to be worth it.

Silver N Blue · Sep 10, 2019

BigD_95 said:
Jaylon Smith was hurt - he wasn't playing because he wasn't good enough to make the active roster.

Your request wasn't specific you asked for a player.

xwalker · Sep 10, 2019

Verdict said:
It’s pretty unusual when your second round pick (and highest pick overall) can’t make the active game day roster. So far it seems that Hill belongs on a milk carton.

It’s obviously too early to call him a busy and he may still end up setting the world on fire, but it seems like an indictment of this pick sincerely Taco was essentially forced on the 46 man roster.

Based on what we have seem so far, the team either doesn’t know how to evaluate interior DL players or is looking for the wrong traits in said players.

So many of us have been begging for a trash can full of dirt at the 1 Tech, and the team will have none of it.

Marinelli’s “Rushmen” are not getting to the QB and putting much pressure on opposing QBs. We are also not solid against the run at times even when we should be.

What do you guys thing about this fact?

I think Marinelli should be chopped and we should find a DL coach that knows how to make the most out of the DL players and we should change what we are looking for in the DL, especially at the 1 Tech.

From the 2019 Draft:

DTs (rounds 2 and 3) active for game one: Zero

All Positions (rounds 1 and 2) NOT active for game one: 10

DTs (not top 20 picks) active for game one: 3

DTs (any round) with a sack: Zero

DTs (not top 20 picks) with a solo tackle: 1

big dog cowboy · Sep 10, 2019

Verdict said:
It’s pretty unusual when your second round pick (and highest pick overall) can’t make the active game day roster. So far it seems that Hill belongs on a milk carton.

big dog cowboy · Sep 10, 2019

xwalker said:
From the 2019 Draft:

DTs (rounds 2 and 3) active for game one: Zero

All Positions (rounds 1 and 2) NOT active for game one: 10

DTs (not top 20 picks) active for game one: 3

DTs (any round) with a sack: Zero

DTs (not top 20 picks) with a solo tackle: 1

They all weren't walk in starters???

:laugh:

Hennessy_King · Sep 10, 2019

xwalker said:
From the 2019 Draft:

DTs (rounds 2 and 3) active for game one: Zero

All Positions (rounds 1 and 2) NOT active for game one: 10

DTs (not top 20 picks) active for game one: 3

DTs (any round) with a sack: Zero

DTs (not top 20 picks) with a solo tackle: 1

Any word on your cornerback breakdowns?

kskboys · Sep 10, 2019

Hennessy_King said:
Any word on your cornerback breakdowns?

I'm really really curious myself as to how Lewis played.

exciter · Sep 10, 2019

Verdict said:
It’s pretty unusual when your second round pick (and highest pick overall) can’t make the active game day roster. So far it seems that Hill belongs on a milk carton.

It’s obviously too early to call him a busy and he may still end up setting the world on fire, but it seems like an indictment of this pick sincerely Taco was essentially forced on the 46 man roster.

Based on what we have seem so far, the team either doesn’t know how to evaluate interior DL players or is looking for the wrong traits in said players.

So many of us have been begging for a trash can full of dirt at the 1 Tech, and the team will have none of it.

Marinelli’s “Rushmen” are not getting to the QB and putting much pressure on opposing QBs. We are also not solid against the run at times even when we should be.

What do you guys thing about this fact?

I think Marinelli should be chopped and we should find a DL coach that knows how to make the most out of the DL players and we should change what we are looking for in the DL, especially at the 1 Tech.

They typically only carry 3 dts on game day. Woods and Collins are your starters and are obviously going to be 2. Covington is better equipped to backup the two positions than Hill ( 3tech only) is right now. Him being inactive shouldn't have been a surprise nor something fans should be getting themselves worked up over!

xwalker · Sep 10, 2019

Sydla said:
Was Russell Maryland inactive for his first game? Was JJ Watt?

Most top college DL do take some time to get their feet wet but few, if any, are so bad that they are inactive in their first ro game. I tried to do a quick look and I couldn't find a first or second round DL that was healthy and also was inactive in their first NFL game. Granted, I only loked at a few drafts from a couple of years ago.

Jay Ratliff and many players that become starters were inactive for game 1 of their rookie season.

Sydla · Sep 10, 2019

xwalker said:
Jay Ratliff and many players that become starters were inactive for game 1 of their rookie season.

I said 1st or 2nd round DT.

Jay Ratliff was a 7th round pick. Hardly a fair comparison.

quickccc · Sep 10, 2019

xwalker said:
From the 2019 Draft:

DTs (rounds 2 and 3) active for game one: Zero

All Positions (rounds 1 and 2) NOT active for game one: 10

DTs (not top 20 picks) active for game one: 3

DTs (any round) with a sack: Zero

DTs (not top 20 picks) with a solo tackle: 1

but unless there's an injury here at DT, and a body is needed, i'm already fretting the inactive-game listing is going to end up exceeding much more than just 1,2 or 4 or 5 games for Trysten Hill.

xwalker · Sep 10, 2019

quickccc said:
but unless there's an injury here at DT, and a body is needed, i'm already fretting the inactive-game listing is going to end up exceeding much more than just 1,2 or 4 or 5 games for Trysten Hill.

They limited the snaps for DLaw and Crawford to about half of what they played last season.

The could go with 1 less DE this week.

It seems easier to have Hill active than Taco based on the numbers at DE vs DT.

DT
Maliek Collins
Antwaun Woods
Christian Covington

DE
DeMarcus Lawrence
Dorance Armstrong

DE/DT
Tyrone Crawford
Kerry Hyder
Joe Jackson

Inactive:
DT Trysten Hill
DE Taco Charlton

xwalker · Sep 10, 2019

Sydla said:
I said 1st or 2nd round DT.

Jay Ratliff was a 7th round pick. Hardly a fair comparison.

You were using top 10 picks as a comparison to a late 2nd round pick (#58, 3rd round starts at #65).

buybuydandavis · Sep 10, 2019

Verdict said:
It’s pretty unusual when your second round pick (and highest pick overall) can’t make the active game day roster. So far it seems that Hill belongs on a milk carton.

Bottom of the 2nd, and picked for his physical traits.

Collins, Covington, Hyder, and Crawford for pass rushing DTs. Woods as 1T. Not a bunch of bums. Not so easy for a rookie to dislodge. It would be great to have him do it game one, but a failure to do that isn't something to get excited about.

Fredbeard · Sep 10, 2019

Whirlwin said:
I guess they never should have taken Jaylon Smith either. Or Rodger for that matter you know how many players we took we waited seasons for them to come Herschel Walker wasn't even in the league. And look what we did with him

The jaylon smith pick was already addressed earlier in this thread. Other posters bring up
D law as a example but it is flawed to assume that because it took d law time to develop
That trysten hill will follow the same trajectory and become a elite player. I made this point
Before that the cowboys were also said to be interested in Khalen Saunders ,who was drafted in the third round and Renel wren,who was drafted in the fourth round. Why did they choose hill when the hey could have drafted Saunders or wren later?. Both players had combine performances that were close to hill and Saunders was far more productive in college.

Sydla · Sep 10, 2019

xwalker said:
You were using top 10 picks as a comparison to a late 2nd round pick (#58, 3rd round starts at #65).

Where did I use Top 10 picks? I only said I looked at first and second round DTs from previous years. I never even mentioned any names.

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