Twitter: Zack Martin on Zeke's impact Sunday

visionary · Sep 12, 2019

Hawkeye0202 said:
Cooper said the same thing........but no surprise. Top 3 elite RBs can have this kind impact even w/o the ball

Someone please send the rescue squad for @Idgit

:muttley:

Little Jr · Sep 12, 2019

InTheZone said:
In the box or not, the linebackers and safeties were pulled down AFTER THE SNAP and WRs got open. GG2EZ

That's called play action, nothing to do with 8 in the box. Lol that worked every time, even when Zeke wasn't in the game. Someone can look it up but off the top of my head Dak was 12-13 when Zeke was used on play action and 2-2 when he wasnt. The biggest "bite" on play action was the first td to jarwin and pollard was in the game.

Runwildboys · Sep 12, 2019

Little Jr said:
1td pass there were 6 in the box. 1 there were 7. 1 there were 8 with a wr in tight and had nothing to do with the rb. Even if if it did, Zeke wasn't even in on that play. So none of the tds had anything to do with Zeke or 8 in the box.

The 40 yd to Gallup(no td) had 7 in the box. The 45 yd to Cooper(no td) had 8 in the box with us running 12 personnel which is a natural 8 in the box alignment. The 60yd to Cooper had 7 in the box.

That's the only one's I've looked at.

Zeke saw 8 in the box 7.9% of the time as did Pollard.

How many were the DBs playing shallow?

blueblood70 · Sep 12, 2019

Hawkeye0202 said:
Cooper said the same thing........but no surprise. Top 3 elite RBs can have this kind impact even w/o the ball

FACT

Little Jr · Sep 12, 2019

visionary said:
So Martin is an idiot and doesn’t know what he’s talking about?

Just curious

Nope, never said that. Look, go look for yourself. I looked at just 6 plays, 3 tds and 3 big plays. 1 was 6 in the box, 3 were 7 in the box and 2 were 8 in the box. 1 of the 8 in the box Zeke wasn't even in the game. Both were from personnel grouping and alignment that brought the extra man in the box.

Even in Zekes runs he only saw 8 in the box 7.9% of the time. Pollard also saw 8 in the box 7.9% of the time.

glimmerman · Sep 12, 2019

DandyDon52 said:
exactly what is football shape ?? what is he doing now that he could not have already done?

They only gave him half the snaps he would normally get. Why. Because he had no contact or training camp. He looked to me like he was warming up when they pulled him. But this week he will get twice the carries.

blueblood70 · Sep 12, 2019

Kevinicus said:
You don't say...

you have to remind the folks here who are holding his holdout and new big contract over his head and hang on every little mistake he made game 1.. they are being haters and trolls..

Zeke very important he will be leaned on in a lot f games, we have to establish the run to keep defenses honest to the PA and RPOs..

percyhoward · Sep 12, 2019

xwalker said:
The Giants also bit on play action with Pollard as the RB.

There is a video analysis posted somewhere that included a breakdown of how play action helped the Cowboys and the RB on that play was Pollard.

That was almost certainly Jarwin's TD. Play fake to Pollard, safety bit hard, Jarwin wide open. That was only the 4th time in the Cowboys' last 76 plays inside the opp 30-yd line they went pass-pass on 1st and 2nd.

3 of those 4 plays were TD.

Little Jr · Sep 12, 2019

Runwildboys said:
How many were the DBs playing shallow?

I can look when I have time but I'll ask 2 questions. 1. What are your parameters on shallow? 2. What does that have to do with what Martin said or what I said? The statement was, Zeke being in the game brought more 8 man in box. Not anything about shallow safeties. I pointed out 6 plays where that wasnt the case. Again, Dak completed more than 6 passes so maybe the other competitions were 8 man boxes. If I have time tonight I'll look at all the plays or someone else may already have and can post it.

blueblood70 · Sep 12, 2019

Little Jr said:
1td pass there were 6 in the box. 1 there were 7. 1 there were 8 with a wr in tight and had nothing to do with the rb. Even if if it did, Zeke wasn't even in on that play. So none of the tds had anything to do with Zeke or 8 in the box.

The 40 yd to Gallup(no td) had 7 in the box. The 45 yd to Cooper(no td) had 8 in the box with us running 12 personnel which is a natural 8 in the box alignment. The 60yd to Cooper had 7 in the box.

That's the only one's I've looked at.

Zeke saw 8 in the box 7.9% of the time as did Pollard.

the box at the snap doesnt tell the entire story, even if the safetys playing back always cheated down bit had their eyes in the backfield, making them pause even for second to go for the pa or rpo , zeke makes huge difference.. he has the history and the hardware to scare defenses..the game plan was made to take zeke seriously..

some jag back there coming into the game would have had them playing pass all the way and daring them to run..its vice versa here..

TheGoat73 · Sep 12, 2019

Hawkeye0202 said:
Cooper said the same thing........but no surprise. Top 3 elite RBs can have this kind impact even w/o the ball

We didn’t involve Zeke in the passing game very much either. 1 target/catch for 10 yards early IIRC. It’s like KMo was able to keep that trick in the bag.

DallasInDC · Sep 12, 2019

tyke1doe said:
Hope he has more than one bullet.

I have feeling only us old timers would understand that statement.

Runwildboys · Sep 12, 2019

Little Jr said:
I can look when I have time but I'll ask 2 questions. 1. What are your parameters on shallow? 2. What does that have to do with what Martin said or what I said? The statement was, Zeke being in the game brought more 8 man in box. Not anything about shallow safeties. I pointed out 6 plays where that wasnt the case. Again, Dak completed more than 6 passes so maybe the other competitions were 8 man boxes. If I have time tonight I'll look at all the plays or someone else may already have and can post it.

I'm not disputing the loading of the box, but he also stated that just having Zeke in made them respect the run more, so I'm wondering if the safeties were playing closer to the line than you would normally expect them to be, i.e., to the point that the receivers could more easily get past them.

xwalker · Sep 12, 2019

percyhoward said:
That was almost certainly Jarwin's TD. Play fake to Pollard, safety bit hard, Jarwin wide open. That was only the 4th time in the Cowboys' last 76 plays inside the opp 30-yd line they went pass-pass on 1st and 2nd.

3 of those 4 plays were TD.

Yes, it was the Jarwin TD play with Pollard at RB on the play action.

percyhoward · Sep 12, 2019

Little Jr said:
1td pass there were 6 in the box. 1 there were 7. 1 there were 8 with a wr in tight and had nothing to do with the rb. Even if if it did, Zeke wasn't even in on that play. So none of the tds had anything to do with Zeke or 8 in the box.

The 40 yd to Gallup(no td) had 7 in the box. The 45 yd to Cooper(no td) had 8 in the box with us running 12 personnel which is a natural 8 in the box alignment. The 60yd to Cooper had 7 in the box.

That's the only one's I've looked at.

Zeke saw 8 in the box 7.9% of the time as did Pollard.

This. Dak was throwing vs two high safeties often. Way more often than we were running against stacked boxes.

When Zeke knocks the rust off and finds himself facing light boxes on 90+% of his runs, he will feast (see Gurley, Todd).

Hawkeye0202 · Sep 12, 2019

visionary said:
So Martin is an idiot and doesn’t know what he’s talking about?

Just curious

LOL.....don't wanna go there but it's pretty obvious

AsthmaField · Sep 12, 2019

Just because the box isn’t loaded, that doesn’t mean that the presence of Ezekiel Elliott didn’t influence the defense in a positive way for the Cowboys.

Having played safety for much of my football playing days (high school and junior college) I can tell you that if there is a big, dominant RB behind the QB... what he is doing never leaves your mind. In coverage or up supporting the run, you have to pay constant attention to what he’s doing.

And play action passes are just a killer. The better the RB, the better PA passes work. I hated those plays like the plague.

Praxit · Sep 12, 2019

ItzKelz said:
Kellen Moore

...bwahahaha.. fits perfect.

Idgit · Sep 12, 2019

visionary said:
Someone please send the rescue squad for @Idgit

What are you thinking this means that I’d have an issue with?

tyke1doe · Sep 12, 2019

DallasInDC said:
I have feeling only us old timers would understand that statement.

Oh my Barney, oh my Barney
Had a jail but couldn't lock it
Had one bullet for his pistol
Had to keep it in his pocket.

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