News: Cowboys talking to another team about another player in regards to Taco Charlton

Oh_Canada

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Another possible motivation would be is Thomas is their 4th best DE, which means they have a ton of money invested in 4 DE's (Armstead, Dee Ford, Bosa, and Thomas). Plus, they have money tied into DT (Buckner).

Personally, I'd want to see Thomas at 3Tech. I don't think he's an edge guy at all.

Agreed, which is why I think he would be coveted by Dallas.
 

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Yeah, that's exactly what I'm trying to do here, because I give two ***** what you think.

Like I've said, not everybody goes the 'brainless fan' route the way that you do. If you don't like that? Guess what? Too bad!

It's amazing to me that you'll put so much time and energy into this, looking so bad in the process, while attacking me and trying to defend the Cowboys, while they turn a 1st round pick into nothing.

Well done!
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Y’all quit fussin
 

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I doubt they give up picks in a rebuilding year.
And, any player worth a damn there they may want to keep unless it's a soon to be UFA.

More likely we throw them Taco and a pick(s) for someone who will be a FA that can help us now. That’s my dream anyway.
 

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Only pass rushers at DE but can't play the run???

If they are only good at 1 then it's playing the run. Crawford is a good run defender at DE. His pass rushing at DE is where he is limited. Joe Jackson and Armstrong are also the run defense type base DE with some pass rush ability. Randy Gregory is the more typical pass rushing RDE but he is not available. Taco is more base DE than pass rusher.

At the RDE position, Armstrong is the other DE, who seemed to be in only on passing downs. They use Crawford more for his run defense and flexibility. If Taco could play DE and DT I am sure they would make him available game day.
 

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I’ve been super hard on Taco, but he must have seriously pissed the Cowboys off for them to be looking to trade him. He did play a little better in the preseason.

Unless they really need the roster spot, I probably wouldn’t trade him unless it was for a 4th or better and no one would probably pay that.

His potential upside is worth more than a 5th to 7th pick.
I'm with you, I think a 5th is the best we could hope for.

Unless he's an absolute locker room cancer I would rather keep him.
 

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"Fitzpatrick will be a bargain for a team in need of a versatile defender that can play both safety and cornerback. According to OverTheCap.com's Jason Fitzgerald, Fitzpatrick has already received about 64 percent of his rookie contract, meaning that whoever trades for him will only owe him a little more than a third of his rookie deal.

The 6-foot-2, 202-pound defensive back starred at the University of Alabama prior to being drafted by the Dolphins. A two-time national champion, Fitzpatrick, a captain on Alabama's 2017 national championship team, was a unanimous All-American that season along with being the recipient of the Bednarik and Thorpe awards.

As a rookie, Fitzpatrick appeared in each of Miami's 16 games, making 11 starts. He recorded 80 tackles while intercepting two passes and breaking up nine more" - cbssports.com
https://amp.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article233985932.html
 

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At the RDE position, Armstrong is the other DE, who seemed to be in only on passing downs. They use Crawford more for his run defense and flexibility. If Taco could play DE and DT I am sure they would make him available game day.

There seems to be more to the Taco story than the obvious.

At a minimum he was limited with an injury which likely made the decision easy to make him inactive.

Maybe I didn't understand the post about pass rushers vs run defenders.

I consider all of Crawford, Armstrong, Hyder, Joe Jackson and Taco as "base" DEs meaning they are big, strong DEs that can hold up on base (run) downs. That's not to say they are not pass rushers but they play more of a power pass rush style than the win with pure speed style. DLaw also plays that style.

Quinn and Gregory on the other hand can line up and blow by OTs with speed. Both are also quality run defenders but can get worn down playing too much on base downs.

The added advantage of Crawford, Hyder and Jackson is their ability to play DT, especially in pass rush situations.

Taco should have DT flex but they have not used him in that role. He already complained about playing the grunt role (base DE) and Gregory getting the glory role (prime pass rush snaps) last season.

I don't believe that Armstrong or Jackson have more physical ability than Taco but if the coached say jump they say "yes sir, how high" while Taco whines about being oppressed and not appreciated.
 

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Fitzpatrick' contract looks to be a huge impediment for any sort of trade.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/miami-dolphins/minkah-fitzpatrick-25106/

Miami would have very little incentive to trade him.

Which is why they are asking for a first rounder per the rumors. They are looking to grab as many draft assets as possible here. Basically taking the Cleveland Browns model when they spent a couple of years loading up on having as many draft assets, high draft assets, as possible.

I mean if you look at it, by the time that Dolphins team gets good (if they do), Fitzpatrick will be near the end of his deal anyway and likely a decent sized FA contract. They may not be in a position yet to spend that much on a safety.

Which kind of makes me think, why would they even want Taco if that's the angle being played here by some of the Cowboys beat writers.
 

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Which is why they are asking for a first rounder per the rumors. They are looking to grab as many draft assets as possible here. Basically taking the Cleveland Browns model when they spent a couple of years loading up on having as many draft assets, high draft assets, as possible.

I mean if you look at it, by the time that Dolphins team gets good (if they do), Fitzpatrick will be near the end of his deal anyway and likely a decent sized FA contract. They may not be in a position yet to spend that much on a safety.

Which kind of makes me think, why would they even want Taco if that's the angle being played here by some of the Cowboys beat writers.

Given the defense they're running, I do not see why they would want Taco, among other reasons. But who knows? Maybe his skills are better suited to playing 3-4 defensive end?

Overall though, this doesn't add up to me either. Where would the Cowboys be playing Fitzpatrick? The SS spot he doesn't want to play and isn't playing well at?
 

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I really am not a taco fan i think we missed on it that one but I would throw him in the lineup and see what we get. It looked like something was clicking in preseason

I think the only reason we wouldn't would be because we don't think he would play as good or better than he did in the preseason against Houston. That was the peak of his stock.

Of course, the fact that we're keeping him inactive over other players cannot be helping that stock stay high.
 

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Which is why they are asking for a first rounder per the rumors. They are looking to grab as many draft assets as possible here. Basically taking the Cleveland Browns model when they spent a couple of years loading up on having as many draft assets, high draft assets, as possible.

I mean if you look at it, by the time that Dolphins team gets good (if they do), Fitzpatrick will be near the end of his deal anyway and likely a decent sized FA contract. They may not be in a position yet to spend that much on a safety.

Which kind of makes me think, why would they even want Taco if that's the angle being played here by some of the Cowboys beat writers.

Yes it does not seem logical for them to want Taco; although some GM have been known to over-value players that they had highly rated on their draft boards when another teams sours on that player.
 

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I think we need to upgrade with Crawford to someone who just fits the system a little better. Crawford isn’t a bad player or overpaid for sure but he’s never been a great fit here. Just my 2 cents
I agree with you. He’s probably a better 3-4 DE
 

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Mickey was just on the radio and did not sound very hopeful about Gregory being anything

Yeah, it's surely looking as though the league office isn't inclined to give him a chance to return to the game anytime soon. By the time they might see fit to do so, it's a good guess he'd be too far removed from his skills to help us. Perhaps he's pushed his luck one time too many!? Too bad but in all fairness, he's had so many chances and failed at every turn. It's just a sad situation, indeed. :(
 
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There seems to be more to the Taco story than the obvious.

At a minimum he was limited with an injury which likely made the decision easy to make him inactive.

Maybe I didn't understand the post about pass rushers vs run defenders.

I consider all of Crawford, Armstrong, Hyder, Joe Jackson and Taco as "base" DEs meaning they are big, strong DEs that can hold up on base (run) downs. That's not to say they are not pass rushers but they play more of a power pass rush style than the win with pure speed style. DLaw also plays that style.

Quinn and Gregory on the other hand can line up and blow by OTs with speed. Both are also quality run defenders but can get worn down playing too much on base downs.

The added advantage of Crawford, Hyder and Jackson is their ability to play DT, especially in pass rush situations.

Taco should have DT flex but they have not used him in that role. He already complained about playing the grunt role (base DE) and Gregory getting the glory role (prime pass rush snaps) last season.

I don't believe that Armstrong or Jackson have more physical ability than Taco but if the coached say jump they say "yes sir, how high" while Taco whines about being oppressed and not appreciated.
My observation they seem to have certain people in mind to play RDE, Crawford temds to be run down RDE and they seem to only rotate in the others on pass rush downs. We can all agree crawford is just taking up space at RDE on pass rush. I think Taco does suffer from lack of position flex and his play is not extraordinary enough to bump anyone else off.
 

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