Props to Jason Garrett

Blackspider214 · Sep 16, 2019

Garrett deserves zero credit for what goes on the field. What exactly does he even do?

T-RO · Sep 16, 2019

Blackspider214 said:
Garrett deserves zero credit for what goes on the field. What exactly does he even do?

By your declaration...you can no longer criticize Garrett.

You are right...he doesn't deserve credit for much of anything. But that cuts both ways....It's sheer insanity then to blame him. His role is to give speeches, consult, coordinate practices...etc.

With Parcells...he was the man, the teacher, the driver, the decision maker. In every year since then it's been the respective coordinators in Dallas that drive their respective units to success or failure.

T-RO · Sep 16, 2019

To follow that up...

Who has been the best coordinator? My grades?
Sanjay Lal: A for work with receivers
Coach Richard: A- for work with DBs (Great instructional work though his choice of Brown over Lewis is baffling; and I'm doubting him as DC/play-caller)
Marinelli D-Line: B-. He's been a great coach, but could be time to retire

As for others...give me time...

FuzzyLumpkins · Sep 16, 2019

basilhayden said:
Yeah. It was him...

It's pretty sad how the American zeitgeist has lost its ability to think critically think in the past couple of decades.

I get the whole "All he does is clap" meme has been all the rage over the past 5 years or so but do you honestly think that is all that he does? That he is unlike every other NFL coach and just claps on the sideline while everyone else accomplishes things in spite of him? Or do you just not know what an NFL coach does?

Moore has coached under Jason Garrett and Jason Garrett alone. It is what it is. Jason Garrett has a remarkably similar career arc to Moore putting him in an excellent position to teach him so it should be little surprise that Moore has come so far so fast.

Jerry Jones once again, as he has done multiple times over the past several years, has gone on record stating Garrett picks his coaches. Deal with it.

As for the rest of them, you take here shows a sad lack of knowledge as to what an NFL head coach does.

He reviews all the tape of all the practices, training sessions, games, etc and with his assistants and trainers comes up with the offseason training regimen. Notably he has changed how the team as a whole trains in response to a rash of hamstring injuries which in turn have been reduced dramatically. He also QCs and coaches in real time as the training goes on. Notable success stories in this arena are DLaw, Connor Williams, and Jaylon Smith.

He designs every practice. He implements or approves overy drill. He decides the structure and implementation down to how they run from one drill to another. He runs tough physical practices which emphasize competition and execution. Subsequently, penalties have decreased and his teams play their butts off. That was evident the moment he took over. Even the dumbest mediot recognized the stark difference in his first TC in the wake of Wade Phillips.

Every meeting, every play in the playbook, every gameplan, every field trip, playcall, etc is his bailiwick and similarly managed. The fact that he empowers his subordinates is seen as a fault of his is just sad, frankly.

FuzzyLumpkins · Sep 16, 2019

T-RO said:
Curious what you mean by "developed". Garrett does very little hands-on instruction with any of the positional groups.

The 1,000 people who criticize Garrett and the 50 who defend him are lost and ignorant. Both sides equally foolish. Garrett doesn't call the offense...or the defense...or the special teams. He doesn't call the plays. He isn't central on designing schemes. He's little more than a tone-setter...in other words...a figure-head.

Whether you fixate and criticize...or try to praise....it's all empty. He really doesn't do much in Dallas. It's the coordinators that drive the show.

How do you know? All your post tells me is you are clueless as to what a HC actually does. He has his hands on every drill, meeting, training sessions, etc.

T-RO · Sep 16, 2019

FuzzyLumpkins said:
How do you know? All your post tells me is you are clueless as to what a HC actually does. He has his hands on every drill, meeting, training sessions, etc.

"Has his hands on every drill, meeting...blah, blah, blah."

Fuzzy, I want to be kind and generous...but frankly...you aren't worth five minutes of my time.

FuzzyLumpkins · Sep 16, 2019

T-RO said:
"Has his hands on every drill, meeting...blah, blah, blah."

Fuzzy, frankly...you aren't worth five minutes of my time.

If you want to be ignorant have fun with that. I get that I am not going to change your mind; I am more interested in pointing out to everyone else how your take is ignorant.

NFL HC manage everything. Anyone who has ever watched any season of Hard Knocks should understand this.

T-RO · Sep 16, 2019

FuzzyLumpkins said:
Anyone who has ever watched any season of Hard Knocks should understand this.

Anyone that thinks that "Hard Knocks" is more than camera work, drama, and mirage...understands nothing. Anyway...I sincerely wish you a good night, pleasant dreams and happy tomorrow. Done here.

FuzzyLumpkins · Sep 16, 2019

T-RO said:
Anyone that thinks that "Hard Knocks" is more than camera work, drama, and mirage...understands nothing. Anyway...I sincerely wish you a good night, pleasant dreams and happy tomorrow. Done here.

Of course it is edited to create drama and the like. That doesn't mean that all those meeting of players, coaches and/or the like don't really happen.

This is exactly what I am talking about with critical thinking. Just because the show is edited does not mean that you cannot learn anything from it.

I'm not talking about the storylines. I am talking about the meetings and similar structural/institutional systems that you can see.

tico · Sep 16, 2019

FuzzyLumpkins said:
It's pretty sad how the American zeitgeist has lost its ability to think critically think in the past couple of decades.

I get the whole "All he does is clap" meme has been all the rage over the past 5 years or so but do you honestly think that is all that he does? That he is unlike every other NFL coach and just claps on the sideline while everyone else accomplishes things in spite of him? Or do you just not know what an NFL coach does?

Moore has coached under Jason Garrett and Jason Garrett alone. It is what it is. Jason Garrett has a remarkably similar career arc to Moore putting him in an excellent position to teach him so it should be little surprise that Moore has come so far so fast.

Jerry Jones once again, as he has done multiple times over the past several years, has gone on record stating Garrett picks his coaches. Deal with it.

As for the rest of them, you take here shows a sad lack of knowledge as to what an NFL head coach does.

He reviews all the tape of all the practices, training sessions, games, etc and with his assistants and trainers comes up with the offseason training regimen. Notably he has changed how the team as a whole trains in response to a rash of hamstring injuries which in turn have been reduced dramatically. He also QCs and coaches in real time as the training goes on. Notable success stories in this arena are DLaw, Connor Williams, and Jaylon Smith.

He designs every practice. He implements or approves overy drill. He decides the structure and implementation down to how they run from one drill to another. He runs tough physical practices which emphasize competition and execution. Subsequently, penalties have decreased and his teams play their butts off. That was evident the moment he took over. Even the dumbest mediot recognized the stark difference in his first TC in the wake of Wade Phillips.

Every meeting, every play in the playbook, every gameplan, every field trip, playcall, etc is his bailiwick and similarly managed. The fact that he empowers his subordinates is seen as a fault of his is just sad, frankly.

After all this on you're power point, you forget to mention his lack to make half time adjustments, predictably, not being able to make adjustments to opponents playcalling while you're run game or pass game is being attacked.. but other than that, whoopie Garrett

FuzzyLumpkins · Sep 16, 2019

tico said:
After all this on you're power point, you forget to mention his lack to make half time adjustments, predictably, not being able to make adjustments to opponents playcalling while you're run game or pass game is being attacked.. but other than that, whoopie Garrett

Appeal to derision. Nice. FWIW, that was all off the cuff.

First, halftime adjustments haven't been a thing in 25 years. See it used to be that film took time to develop, edit, and such. Teams would have people do that for all of the plays run in the first half and put together something for the coaches to go over and make their adjustments.

Since then we have video cameras and editing which is for the most part automated and they get that same information in real time. That is a big reason why they have all those tablets.

Now as for making or not making adjustments, we have no way of knowing what adjustments they do or don't make. Your just making crap up. The problem I really have with your take can be compartmentalized form an anecdote from a few years ago.

Remember when Chaz Green got toasted by a journeyman against the Falcons a few years ago? Well the groupthink back then around here was that Garrett and co made no adjustments and were thus complicit in Green's failure. The problem was that they did give him help. They left shifted protection and had the RG help him, they lined up a TE to help, and they chipped with a back.

For some reason there is this notion that when anything goes wrong there has to be some adjustment that can be made to overcome it so therefor when it's not overcome there must've been no adjustment. At the end of the day that is just ignorant.

I do like how you said "doesn't make adjustments" three times in different ways to try and make it seem like you had more to say than you actually did though. :clap:

windjc · Sep 16, 2019

The people who say Garrett isn't responsible have never run a large organization. They've only ever worked for one.

adbutcher · Sep 16, 2019

FuzzyLumpkins said:
It's pretty sad how the American zeitgeist has lost its ability to think critically think in the past couple of decades.

I get the whole "All he does is clap" meme has been all the rage over the past 5 years or so but do you honestly think that is all that he does? That he is unlike every other NFL coach and just claps on the sideline while everyone else accomplishes things in spite of him? Or do you just not know what an NFL coach does?

Moore has coached under Jason Garrett and Jason Garrett alone. It is what it is. Jason Garrett has a remarkably similar career arc to Moore putting him in an excellent position to teach him so it should be little surprise that Moore has come so far so fast.

Jerry Jones once again, as he has done multiple times over the past several years, has gone on record stating Garrett picks his coaches. Deal with it.

As for the rest of them, you take here shows a sad lack of knowledge as to what an NFL head coach does.

He reviews all the tape of all the practices, training sessions, games, etc and with his assistants and trainers comes up with the offseason training regimen. Notably he has changed how the team as a whole trains in response to a rash of hamstring injuries which in turn have been reduced dramatically. He also QCs and coaches in real time as the training goes on. Notable success stories in this arena are DLaw, Connor Williams, and Jaylon Smith.

He designs every practice. He implements or approves overy drill. He decides the structure and implementation down to how they run from one drill to another. He runs tough physical practices which emphasize competition and execution. Subsequently, penalties have decreased and his teams play their butts off. That was evident the moment he took over. Even the dumbest mediot recognized the stark difference in his first TC in the wake of Wade Phillips.

Every meeting, every play in the playbook, every gameplan, every field trip, playcall, etc is his bailiwick and similarly managed. The fact that he empowers his subordinates is seen as a fault of his is just sad, frankly.

Good post. Unfortunately it won't convince the segment of foolish fans.

Rockport · Sep 16, 2019

cern said:
he didn't. Stephen did.

ondaedg · Sep 16, 2019

stasheroo said:
The further he gets from having to make playcalls and decisions? The better things work. If he deserves 'credit' for that? Sure. Credit for staying out of the way Jason!

Exactly! The farther he is from the offensive game planning the better. Which begs the question how many other teams have a head coach who isn't the primary coordinator on either side of the ball? I'm sure there's several. Tomlin comes to mind.

Proof · Sep 16, 2019

rocyaice said:
Garrett won't get any praise for the success this year......which is a shame. But soon as we lose its going to be his fault.

I mean he’s given us ten years of nothing. He has a competent staff, what looks to be one of the young up and coming offensive minds, and loads of talent. Cool. Good job Jason on surviving to this point

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 16, 2019

Proof said:
I mean he’s given us ten years of nothing. He has a competent staff, what looks to be one of the young up and coming offensive minds, and loads of talent. Cool. Good job Jason on surviving to this point

He survived 10 years because he was being asked to be a assistant coach to Jerry. Is there any coincidence that the less of a hold Jerry has had on this team the better it’s gotten?

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 16, 2019

stasheroo said:
The further he gets from having to make playcalls and decisions? The better things work. If he deserves 'credit' for that? Sure. Credit for staying out of the way Jason!

That would imply that all a head coach does is make play calls and we know that’s not the case.

ItzKelz · Sep 16, 2019

ultron said:
That's right folks - Jason has this team rolling on all cylinders coming out of the gate. Say what you want about him but players seem to really enjoy playing for him, he's involved in personnel decisions and has helped build this team, he seems to really have the respect of all of the players on the team, and they stay out of trouble for the most part. Also, I'm sure he had a big say-so in the Kellen Moore, Kris Richardson, and John Kitna hires.

It's time we give him a little credit!

IMO it started in the preseason. While a lot of the teams around the NFL were guarding against injury and not playing their starters; JG went old school and got most of his available starters reps to prepare for the season. And even though we were running a vanilla offense you can tell that those reps helped with chemistry.

CowboyRoy · Sep 16, 2019

ultron said:
That's right folks - Jason has this team rolling on all cylinders coming out of the gate. Say what you want about him but players seem to really enjoy playing for him, he's involved in personnel decisions and has helped build this team, he seems to really have the respect of all of the players on the team, and they stay out of trouble for the most part. Also, I'm sure he had a big say-so in the Kellen Moore, Kris Richardson, and John Kitna hires.

It's time we give him a little credit!

Less Garrett is Moore!!!

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