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The 49ers have been surprisingly dominant and no one is talking about them.
 
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Pump the brakes we have only played the Giants and Commanders. Let see what they do playing a ferocious front 4.
 

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QUOTE="Hawkeye0202, post: 9455160, member: 22015"]We're baaaack ..........lol



Connor Williams...:thumbdown: He was terrible and looks lost except for combination blocks with Frederick.[/QUOTE]
But you know what....they adjusted, limited the problem. In years past c.green and dak hung out to dry with no adjustments. And they adjusted quickly
 

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Was there ever any doubt? Only gonna get better. These guys are just warming up. Zeke, Pollard n Dak should make good with the running lanes.

NYG OL is doing well...Hmmm...only if they had a young #6 overall 1st round QB to throw dimes, and a Top 2 RB in the whole league to run behind that OL. Wonder what's holding them back.


We don't have a top 2 back in the league. If were gonna go by PFF measures we have an above average back an elite back should do more with a line like this. So far this year, he has a 69.6 grade. Zeke is the next Dez Bryant very good back, but this home crowd has homered him to what he isn't. He is durable and dependable, if that makes you elite alone than sure.
 

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Connor Williams...:thumbdown: He was terrible and looks lost except for combination blocks with Frederick.
But you know what....they adjusted, limited the problem. In years past c.green and dak hung out to dry with no adjustments. And they adjusted quickly[/QUOTE]
I just expected improvement from C Williams this season.
 

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We don't have a top 2 back in the league. If were gonna go by PFF measures we have an above average back an elite back should do more with a line like this. So far this year, he has a 69.6 grade. Zeke is the next Dez Bryant very good back, but this home crowd has homered him to what he isn't. He is durable and dependable, if that makes you elite alone than sure.

He's produced more total yards through this point in his career than literally all but one other halfback in NFL history. Exactly what constitutes elite to you??
 

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I bet he has had the most carries too, it mainly just suggests he's durable, nothing about his actual game on the field. He's running behind one of the best offensive lines in the league, if he was truly elite he should be separating himself from the rest of the crowd, but he's just in the pack. On the old forum I had posts showing pictures of lanes as wide as semi's that he was running through a couple of those games were against the 49ers, Bengals, and Packers where anyone could of done what he did.

Zeke is really good about getting 1 or 2 hard yards, but beyond that I don't see nothing special about him. He basically just gets the what is expected and not really much more, his vision could be better, he's not breaking tons of tackles, not his fault about the last one, but he isn't that big of a factor in the passing game either. There was a poster that articulated this in this thread much better than my words that can shown by statistical analysis. Is Zeke good, sure, do I think there is more than 1 back better than Zeke? Yes. I see that you have already stated that statistics don't tell the whole story, but being a Cowboy fan who certainly will have a bias does? I'll take the facts you take the story.
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/how-special-is-ezekiel.437481/
 

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I bet he has had the most carries too, it mainly just suggests he's durable, nothing about his actual game on the field. He's running behind one of the best offensive lines in the league, if he was truly elite he should be separating himself from the rest of the crowd, but he's just in the pack. On the old forum I had posts showing pictures of lanes as wide as semi's that he was running through a couple of those games were against the 49ers, Bengals, and Packers where anyone could of done what he did.

Zeke is really good about getting 1 or 2 hard yards, but beyond that I don't see nothing special about him. He basically just gets the what is expected and not really much more, his vision could be better, he's not breaking tons of tackles, not his fault about the last one, but he isn't that big of a factor in the passing game either. There was a poster that articulated this in this thread much better than my words that can shown by statistical analysis. Is Zeke good, sure, do I think there is more than 1 back better than Zeke? Yes. I see that you have already stated that statistics don't tell the whole story, but being a Cowboy fan who certainly will have a bias does? I'll take the facts you take the story.
https://cowboyszone.com/threads/how-special-is-ezekiel.437481/

I'm trying to understand why a Cowboys' fan, assuming you are one, would feel compelled to argue at this point in a season that is going great, that our RB is not that good. o_O
 

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I'm trying to understand why a Cowboys' fan, assuming you are one, would feel compelled to argue at this point in a season that is going great, that our RB is not that good. o_O


Because fans for years like to overrate our players. When there is something I don't agree with I will say something. We greatly overpaid a player where we could of got someone serviceable for way less. We only have so much money to work with.
 

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We're baaaack ..........lol




People that want to try and understand offense need to look at the facts. Whether its Romo, Dak, Linehan, Garrett, or Moore...………...when the Oline is playing at a high level the offense plays well. And when the line doesn't play well they don't.

Offensive football 101
 

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One thing I will give Jason Garrett for (well, the only thing I can think of for now) is that he began to invest in the offensive line. I always thought our penchant for the glamor positions (WR, RB, QB) neglected what the team needed at its foundation - strong offensive and defensive lines. So when we got Tyron Smith, then Zack Martin then Travis Frederick it marked a turning point for our philosophy. And that's what you need to win football games, especially late into the season and the playoffs - see the Giants O Line of the 80s/90s, the Hogs (Commanders) in the 80s/90s and the Cowboys of the 90. We have the foundation on offense to get to the Super Bowl. Now let's see … about the coaching.
 

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I'm trying to understand why a Cowboys' fan, assuming you are one, would feel compelled to argue at this point in a season that is going great, that our RB is not that good. o_O

Lots of underlying arguments between posters on here that get proven every day whether we win or lose.

For example...….....The Cowboys offense with Moore outlines how bad Garrett and Linehan were as play callers.
 

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One thing I will give Jason Garrett for (well, the only thing I can think of for now) is that he began to invest in the offensive line. I always thought our penchant for the glamor positions (WR, RB, QB) neglected what the team needed at its foundation - strong offensive and defensive lines. So when we got Tyron Smith, then Zack Martin then Travis Frederick it marked a turning point for our philosophy. And that's what you need to win football games, especially late into the season and the playoffs - see the Giants O Line of the 80s/90s, the Hogs (Commanders) in the 80s/90s and the Cowboys of the 90. We have the foundation on offense to get to the Super Bowl. Now let's see … about the coaching.

Why are you giving Garrett credit for that?
 

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Why are you giving Garrett credit for that?
Because the drafting of Tyron Smith coincide with the hiring of Jason Garrett as coach, and because Jason Garrett has tried to emulate the 90s Cowboys offense which, of course, featured a dominant offensive line.
Although Will McClay was on board with the Cowboys, I don't think his influence was as strong as it is now.
 

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Lots of underlying arguments between posters on here that get proven every day whether we win or lose.

For example...….....The Cowboys offense with Moore outlines how bad Garrett and Linehan were as play callers.

I agree with this.
 

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Because the drafting of Tyron Smith coincide with the hiring of Jason Garrett as coach, and because Jason Garrett has tried to emulate the 90s Cowboys offense which, of course, featured a dominant offensive line.
Although Will McClay was on board with the Cowboys, I don't think his influence was as strong as it is now.

-Garret was the OC here for 3 or 4 years before Smith was drafted. There was no emphasis during his tenure then.
-Just because an Olineman was drafted #1 the year Garrett became HC isn't enough evidence to support your claim.
-Garrett doesn't handle drafting and personnel here in Dallas
-McClay handles those things for the Cowboys and it would make more sense that he was more instrumental.
-Having a strong Oline is offensive football 101 and hardly something to give credit to anyone for. Its not like its a new theory.

Now was Garrett a part of the realization that they want to focus on the Oline? Sure. But to give him full credit is overboard.
 

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The surprising thing is how dominant the line has been in pass pro. Historically, run blocking has been its strength.

Meanwhile, someone needs to put an APB out on Philly's O-line. Wentz has been getting hammered.

I said it in the game against the Falcons that they will get him injured again if they don't do better in pass protection.
 
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