Two Cowboys fan behaviors that have always puzzled me

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While I'm on the train of needing the guy in the middle who cannot be moved, it's not a big fatty that's needed, and size is not the most important aspect. It's build.

Out of all the teams/guys being presented, the majority had at least one guy who shored up the middle and didn't let anyone pass, often requiring a double team.

Here's the objective data on the other side of this argument, Walks. Super bowl participants pretty much always have a middle stuffer on staff, and I can't think of a recent winner that didn't employ one. It's not size, and it's not even always build. Barry Cofield filled this job admirably for the Gnats super bowl winner, and he was like 6-4/320.

So, it all depends on what you're arguing. Size? Doesn't matter. Having two slashers at DT? Matters a ton. Because while this strategy may work against bad/mediocre teams during the season, when it comes to the big show, it mostly does not. Teams who have tried the two 3 tech types at DT that I know of offhand that didn't work out: DEN, MINN, OAK. DEN and MINN in the past, and they always got run over in the playoffs. OAK tried it w/ two stud in Seymour/Kelly, and it just doesn't work.

IMO, Walks, this strategy leads to inconsistent play, which is a huge factor in teams getting bounced from the playoffs.

I agree. That was my point on this statement:
"I could understand wanting a top talent at DT added but the obsession with getting a mega heavy weight DT is getting absurd."


Woods (6-0, 318) is a legit 1-tech.

Covington is a better backup 1-tech than they've had in recent years. They really didn't have one last year.

The Cowboys were too small at DT back in 2014 with Crawford and Nick Hayden. Both were under 300 (Hayden might have been right at 300).

This year:
  • Collins 311
  • Woods 318
  • Covington 310 to 320 range

They drafted Hill in part because they wanted size without sacrificing quickness.

His was 6-3, 308 at the combine but reportedly played at over 320 at some points in college.
 

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3. Once an opinion has been formed about a player no amount of contrary evidence shall be allowed to penetrate that opinion, and perhaps even change it. The original opinion, no matter how rash and/or uninformed, must be defended at all costs. It's better to double down on the original opinion, no matter how foolish it becomes, than to ever admit you may have misjudged the guy or to even give him credit on a particular day.

Yes, that goes for both hated and hyped players.

Heath: Started as a rookie and he as well as most of the defense struggled with Megatron. For most casual fans he has "sucked" since that day.

Jourdan Lewis: Played 8 snaps against Kamara last season and is now he is the best CB on the team.
 

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Do you really think I care what all the people around the league do or think. I worry about myself. Again it's cowardly to want to play a less of a team

So I guess we should just skip the game this week huh? Ask the players what they would like to play against, privately they'll tell you GB without Rodgers. I've talk to NFL and NBA players off the court and field so I know, it's the people that don't play that are all cocky.
 

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Yes, that goes for both hated and hyped players.

Heath: Started as a rookie and he as well as most of the defense struggled with Megatron. For most casual fans he has "sucked" since that day.

Jourdan Lewis: Played 8 snaps against Kamara last season and is now he is the best CB on the team.

And if you disagree, your obviously their mother.
 

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So I guess we should just skip the game this week huh? Ask the players what they would like to play against, privately they'll tell you GB without Rodgers. I've talk to NFL and NBA players off the court and field so I know, it's the people that don't play that are all cocky.
Now you're just being ridiculous. If you're forced to play a team that's week you still have to play them but I don't wish it. LMAO get a clue please. I train with a 2 time Super Bowl running back. He just put his face in his hands in disgust. You always want to play the opponent's best don't be ridiculous
 
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So I guess we should just skip the game this week huh? Ask the players what they would like to play against, privately they'll tell you GB without Rodgers. I've talk to NFL and NBA players off the court and field so I know, it's the people that don't play that are all cocky.
You just summed up your entire life. LMAO
 

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I agree. That was my point on this statement:
"I could understand wanting a top talent at DT added but the obsession with getting a mega heavy weight DT is getting absurd."


Woods (6-0, 318) is a legit 1-tech.

Covington is a better backup 1-tech than they've had in recent years. They really didn't have one last year.

The Cowboys were too small at DT back in 2014 with Crawford and Nick Hayden. Both were under 300 (Hayden might have been right at 300).

This year:
  • Collins 311
  • Woods 318
  • Covington 310 to 320 range

They drafted Hill in part because they wanted size without sacrificing quickness.

His was 6-3, 308 at the combine but reportedly played at over 320 at some points in college.
Again I like the big ugly. They need love also
 

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Let's take your logic to its logical extreme. Since "stronger opponent is always better", how would you like it if the Cowboys' schedule always consisted of nothing but the absolute best teams in the league? And each opponent was always led by a Brady-like QB and Belichick-like coach? And had a dozen Pro Bowlers?

Tough is better, right?
Coffee is always better. Bet Your Life on it. You want to get better you play against better. Why do you think they have competition in training camp. You think they bringing wimps so you get a seltz fault sense of self esteem. Please people don't be ridiculous if we lose we lose we shouldn't win in the first place. Just means we have to get better. Where do you people come from seriously. Only cowards and Bullies want to pick on the meek. Give me Goliath. . I say we go in New England and kick their butt. LMAO what do you want to do not even play the game concede already
 

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In the many years that I've been a member of Cowboys message boards, I've always seen two recurring fan sentiments that baffle me:

  1. "I would rather that our opponent be at full strength and have all of their players healthy so that they have no excuse when we beat them, than play an injury-weakened opponent" - really? You'd rather face a strong opponent and have only a 50% chance of beating them, than an injury-weakened opponent and have a 70% chance of beating them? A win is a win and a loss is a loss in the W-L column, no matter how you got there. Injuries don't factor into tiebreakers.
  2. "We can't afford to look ahead - we need to focus on our weak opponent this week. Let's not talk about the games that lie further ahead and focus only on one game at a time." If people who say this are referring to Cowboys players and coaches, then I absolutely agree - one game at a time. But oftentimes, it seems that people who say this are referring to Cowboys fans - they seem to think that if Cowboys fans get ahead of ourselves and start talking about Thanksgiving or December or January when it's still Week 3, that somehow our behavior on an Internet message board will cause the Cowboys players and coaches to lose games by losing focus - what gives?
"I would rather that our opponent be at full strength and have all of their players healthy so that they have no excuse when we beat them, than play an injury-weakened opponent" - really? You'd rather face a strong opponent and have only a 50% chance of beating them, than an injury-weakened opponent and have a 70% chance of beating them? A win is a win and a loss is a loss in the W-L column, no matter how you got there. Injuries don't factor into tiebreakers.

No, I want the Cowboys to beat the best, so they can be their best at the end and know they can beat teams with or without a stocked roster. Confidence might just be the most important intangible attribute in a player. It's the difference between their best and whatever they call their 2nd best.

"We can't afford to look ahead - we need to focus on our weak opponent this week. Let's not talk about the games that lie further ahead and focus only on one game at a time." If people who say this are referring to Cowboys players and coaches, then I absolutely agree - one game at a time. But oftentimes, it seems that people who say this are referring to Cowboys fans - they seem to think that if Cowboys fans get ahead of ourselves and start talking about Thanksgiving or December or January when it's still Week 3, that somehow our behavior on an Internet message board will cause the Cowboys players and coaches to lose games by losing focus - what gives?

I'm with you on this. I'll talk about what I want to when I want to.
 

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"I would rather that our opponent be at full strength and have all of their players healthy so that they have no excuse when we beat them, than play an injury-weakened opponent" - really? You'd rather face a strong opponent and have only a 50% chance of beating them, than an injury-weakened opponent and have a 70% chance of beating them? A win is a win and a loss is a loss in the W-L column, no matter how you got there. Injuries don't factor into tiebreakers.

No, I want the Cowboys to beat the best, so they can be their best at the end and know they can beat teams with or without a stocked roster. Confidence might just be the most important intangible attribute in a player. It's the difference between their best and whatever they call their 2nd best.

"We can't afford to look ahead - we need to focus on our weak opponent this week. Let's not talk about the games that lie further ahead and focus only on one game at a time." If people who say this are referring to Cowboys players and coaches, then I absolutely agree - one game at a time. But oftentimes, it seems that people who say this are referring to Cowboys fans - they seem to think that if Cowboys fans get ahead of ourselves and start talking about Thanksgiving or December or January when it's still Week 3, that somehow our behavior on an Internet message board will cause the Cowboys players and coaches to lose games by losing focus - what gives?

I'm with you on this. I'll talk about what I want to when I want to.
I don't know why these people think being a fan we can't look down the road we're not the ones preparing for the game it just baffles me how some people's minds work
 

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So I guess we should just skip the game this week huh? Ask the players what they would like to play against, privately they'll tell you GB without Rodgers. I've talk to NFL and NBA players off the court and field so I know, it's the people that don't play that are all cocky.
I hear a player of mine talk like that. I'll throw him off the team faster than he can say boo. Pull that on a Jimmy Johnson
 

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I think that beating good teams at their best is great preparation for the playoffs. Dominating an injury riddled team isn't.
true and it shows you can beat a good team like you might face in the playoffs.
Beating NO without brees playing, is ok, for the win, but if we play them later in playoffs and brees is playing could be different result.
I am wondering if rodgers might get hurt before we play GB, and wentz is already having injury issues!
This could help dallas to a good record, but then in playoffs we will have to play teams that are much better than what we faced during the season.
 

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Funny. Particularly #2.
It muses me when fans use "we" and "us".
I guess many fans invest their emotion into the game. Thus, feel like they're part of the team.

I'm a fan, but I know the Cowboys organization couldn't careless about my well-being.
They're just terms that are easier than writing "my favorite team, the Dallas Cowboys", and everyone knows they (or "we", as I'm one of those people use uses the same terminology when speaking to friends) don't actually think they/we are part of the team.
 

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I don't know why these people think being a fan we can't look down the road we're not the ones preparing for the game it just baffles me how some people's minds work
it is ok for a fan to look down the road, but it is all fantasy.
u cant see things like brees hurt, or some of our players hurt etc. Thats why saying a schedule is easy or tough is silly too, as a tough one can turn out to
be quite easy, as it has for dallas so far. And a easy schedule can turn out to be really tough. Easy games get hard, hard games get easy.
So looking down the road can be fun, but it is mostly fantasy that may or may not happen.
 

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In the many years that I've been a member of Cowboys message boards, I've always seen two recurring fan sentiments that baffle me:

  1. "I would rather that our opponent be at full strength and have all of their players healthy so that they have no excuse when we beat them, than play an injury-weakened opponent" - really? You'd rather face a strong opponent and have only a 50% chance of beating them, than an injury-weakened opponent and have a 70% chance of beating them? A win is a win and a loss is a loss in the W-L column, no matter how you got there. Injuries don't factor into tiebreakers.
  2. "We can't afford to look ahead - we need to focus on our weak opponent this week. Let's not talk about the games that lie further ahead and focus only on one game at a time." If people who say this are referring to Cowboys players and coaches, then I absolutely agree - one game at a time. But oftentimes, it seems that people who say this are referring to Cowboys fans - they seem to think that if Cowboys fans get ahead of ourselves and start talking about Thanksgiving or December or January when it's still Week 3, that somehow our behavior on an Internet message board will cause the Cowboys players and coaches to lose games by losing focus - what gives?
That's because most fans don't know squat.
 

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In the many years that I've been a member of Cowboys message boards, I've always seen two recurring fan sentiments that baffle me:

  1. "I would rather that our opponent be at full strength and have all of their players healthy so that they have no excuse when we beat them, than play an injury-weakened opponent" - really? You'd rather face a strong opponent and have only a 50% chance of beating them, than an injury-weakened opponent and have a 70% chance of beating them? A win is a win and a loss is a loss in the W-L column, no matter how you got there. Injuries don't factor into tiebreakers.
  2. "We can't afford to look ahead - we need to focus on our weak opponent this week. Let's not talk about the games that lie further ahead and focus only on one game at a time." If people who say this are referring to Cowboys players and coaches, then I absolutely agree - one game at a time. But oftentimes, it seems that people who say this are referring to Cowboys fans - they seem to think that if Cowboys fans get ahead of ourselves and start talking about Thanksgiving or December or January when it's still Week 3, that somehow our behavior on an Internet message board will cause the Cowboys players and coaches to lose games by losing focus - what gives?

#1. I agree with you in that I would rather face an injury depleted team. The one exception to that rule is when you prefer to see how your team matches up with that team at full strength as a barometer of where you really are. I would rather face a NO team without Brees and get a win than a 50/50 proposition with him. OTOH if we were to beat a Brees led team we would know a little bit more about where we stand and what we need to improve on.

#2. They are idiots. That’s all you can say about that one.
 

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They're just terms that are easier than writing "my favorite team, the Dallas Cowboys", and everyone knows they (or "we", as I'm one of those people use uses the same terminology when speaking to friends) don't actually think they/we are part of the team.
exactly! I see people point that out, but we all know we are not part of the team lol.
it is often easier to type out that way.
And really fans are part of the team lol we just dont get paid or actually do anything with the team, but we are there game day whether in person or watching
on a tv somewhere.
 

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it is ok for a fan to look down the road, but it is all fantasy.
u cant see things like brees hurt, or some of our players hurt etc. Thats why saying a schedule is easy or tough is silly too, as a tough one can turn out to
be quite easy, as it has for dallas so far. And a easy schedule can turn out to be really tough. Easy games get hard, hard games get easy.
So looking down the road can be fun, but it is mostly fantasy that may or may not happen.
That could be the same said about the game the same week. It's all speculation. So look the way you want to look
 

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That's because most fans don't know squat.
was wondering what your take on this was. I'd rather be the high school team taking on the college team. I knew you'd be right next to me LOL imagine a player of yours saying damn I hope there hurt this week. LOL
 
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