Props to Jason Garrett

CowboyRoy · Sep 17, 2019

Idgit said:
I think that's primarily it. He doesn't have an attitude that a lot of fans like to see. I think that's mostly irrelevant, because his players all clearly like him just fine. He's just intentionally boring with the press. He's also stubborn and doesn't like a lot of flash. His offense isn't fun to watch. There are plenty of things I don't really love about the guy.

But he's part of the draft process overhaul, he develops players, they're always prepared, they play hard for him, and he's gradually built a really deep young team and a really good staff. He wins a ton of games, and they're demonstrating they're at least willing to try to aggressively get over the hump. I don't see what people get so upset about. If we were mediocre, or clearly maintaining the status quo and not actively getting better, I'd agree with everybody. But we're not.

The question you need to ask yourself is this:

Why is Kellen Moore so much better at running Garrett's offense than Garrett is?

GORICO · Sep 17, 2019

Idgit said:
I think that's primarily it. He doesn't have an attitude that a lot of fans like to see. I think that's mostly irrelevant, because his players all clearly like him just fine. He's just intentionally boring with the press. He's also stubborn and doesn't like a lot of flash. His offense isn't fun to watch. There are plenty of things I don't really love about the guy.

But he's part of the draft process overhaul, he develops players, they're always prepared, they play hard for him, and he's gradually built a really deep young team and a really good staff. He wins a ton of games, and they're demonstrating they're at least willing to try to aggressively get over the hump. I don't see what people get so upset about. If we were mediocre, or clearly maintaining the status quo and not actively getting better, I'd agree with everybody. But we're not.

lidgit--- i do think Garrett is willing to make adjustments and some of them have been bullseyes....but it comes sometimes after continued failure in that area...i dont know who is the culprit for our team to be consistenly weak at Safety for

years?..is that Garrett?..i dont know.?..i guess they do not value that position as much as other teams do?...they certainly thought it more wise to invest in D line to go after QB ( trysten Hill ) than a safety net...those guys are not dummies

by any stretch and have been making some quality adjustments as of late...i think the safety thing is kinda like the 1 - tech tackle on D....this staff does not want those "trash cans full of sand" 1-techs...but until this last game against

Commanders....that last 4 out of 6 including playoffs...we got seriously run gouged..so would a big 1-tech had prevented that?...i dont know

Idgit · Sep 17, 2019

CowboyRoy said:
Didn't anticipate any changes? Yet Jones was planning on making a big one.

So either Garret is completely out of the loop or he was fine with Linehan staying.

If he wanted a coaching change he NEVER would have said that.

Common sense.

He knew the team was letting his friend and former mentor go, and he wanted to get him to the senior bowl where he could possibly find a gig before the let him go, just like they often do. In this case, it didn't work out and the team announced they were parting ways before the senior bowl happened. Common sense.

Bob-Lillys-War · Sep 17, 2019

Common sense tells me, if you don't make the playoffs, ... not even the wild cards, then you aren't winning enough .

3 playoff berths in 10 years, thats a sad sad record .

GORICO · Sep 17, 2019

Runwildboys said:
Oh that?........I don't know you well enough for the joke I started to type. lol

Run -- i try to have thick skin...i dont know about you but comedians that are good at self-deprecating humor crack me up..because us humans are a crack up

Idgit · Sep 17, 2019

CowboyRoy said:
The question you need to ask yourself is this:

Why is Kellen Moore so much better at running Garrett's offense than Garrett is?

Not really. I'm happy to see the offense continue to be productive with a new OC, just like it was when we changed up the QB. We're pretty fortunate that it's trending up. But either way, it's Garrett's team, so he gets the credit when things go well. I don't get why you think it makes sense to debit the HC and credit his OC when things are going well on offense.

Idgit · Sep 17, 2019

CowboyRoy said:
Nope...…….its that he isn't a good coach period. Here are the specifics:

-He is Jerry Jones Puppet and that's fine with him
-Bad at calling plays
-Bad at in game management
-Bad at adjustments
-lacks creativity or innovation
-his offense is boring and predictable
-Bad at game planning
-Bad at clock management
-He has done little over his tenure here
-He turned out to be the opposite of "a football genius"
-Should have been fired long ago

And your reasons for liking him:

-If given great players around him, its possible that he could win a championship
-He works well with Jerry

Talk about a short list of low standard drivel?

This list is too silly to take seriously, so I'm just going to pretend I didn't accidentally read it. FYI.

Idgit · Sep 17, 2019

CowboyRoy said:
...So you finally admit that Garrett isnt a great coach? How long did that take?

Ignoring the other silliness, but I will answer this one. I've said exactly what I've said here every time you ask this dumb question as if you think you've stumbled on a gotcha. I have no idea why you don't recognize that fact at this point, since it's come up quite a bit. But that's on you, not me.

Denim Chicken · Sep 17, 2019

I'll give JG the credit for the culture here. There are a lot of poorly run and toxic clubhouses. The Cowboys are not one of those.

Idgit · Sep 17, 2019

Bob-Lillys-War said:
Common sense tells me, if you don't make the playoffs, ... not even the wild cards, then you aren't winning enough .

3 playoff berths in 10 years, thats a sad sad record .

All depends on the quality of the team. If you have a playoff quality roster, yes, you should make the playoffs. If you don't, no amount of coaching 'em up is going to get you there.

Bob-Lillys-War · Sep 17, 2019

Idgit said:
All depends on the quality of the team. If you have a playoff quality roster, yes, you should make the playoffs. If you don't, no amount of coaching 'em up is going to get you there.

i dont think thats accurate at all, cowboys haven't been talentless in the last 9 years.

Rayman70 · Sep 17, 2019

ultron said:
That's right folks - Jason has this team rolling on all cylinders coming out of the gate. Say what you want about him but players seem to really enjoy playing for him, he's involved in personnel decisions and has helped build this team, he seems to really have the respect of all of the players on the team, and they stay out of trouble for the most part. Also, I'm sure he had a big say-so in the Kellen Moore, Kris Richardson, and John Kitna hires.

It's time we give him a little credit!

Credit for what? Letting his coaches COACH and his QB have the entire playbook? I PASS. Credit will happen when we win the SB...then he gets the Kudos. Not 1 minute before. The dude has been there an eternity and won next to nothing.

Rayman70 · Sep 17, 2019

AT LEAST hes hands off and letting them play. That's about all I can say. The jury is still out on giving him "props." We are a LONG LONG way from that.

Idgit · Sep 17, 2019

Bob-Lillys-War said:
i dont think thats accurate at all, cowboys haven't been talentless in the last 9 years.

One of which we were already eliminated when he took over at 1-7.

Of the other seasons, which teams did you think missed playoffs that were shoe-ins for playoffs based on talent alone?

2010 - Team was eliminated before he took over
2011 - One of the worst defenses in league history/overhaul of the OL begins/iced kicker
2012 - Terrible defense still, lost to Skins in week 17
2013 - Romo back injury in week 16; loss to PHI
2014 - 12-4, Dez caught it
2015 - Brandon Weeden/Matt Cassel
2016 - Romo injured, 13-3
2017 - 9-7
2018 - 10-6, advanced to divisional round
2019 - 2-0 with a roster that's a shoe-in for postseason

I'd say that none of the seasons we missed were actual shoe-ins. The 2013 and 2017 teams had reasonable shots at making the playoffs. 2010, 2011, and 2012 would have been a case of a HC outkicking his coverage to get them in. The constant that bit us in 2013 and 2015 was not having a capable backup QB, not that that would have helped much in 2015 unless the backup were really good. 2013 is the one year where I think Garrett blew a game that might have cost us the post season. That was the GB game where he had the play calling dispute with Callahan. He also blew the AZ game back in 2011, not by 'icing' his kicker, but by mismanaging the play clock prior to that.

Other than that, though, he's clearly built a team. We've clearly gotten better. We've won more games than anyone else in the NFC since Dak's been here, and should have one of the best teams in the conference again this year. He's teams are prepared and play hard.

I can understand not liking him, or wanting an upgrade. I'm all for an upgrade myself if there's one out there. What I don't get is pretending the guy is a bad coach when he's clearly not.

408Cowboy · Sep 17, 2019

Idgit said:
One of which we were already eliminated when he took over at 1-7.

Of the other seasons, which teams did you think missed playoffs that were shoe-ins for playoffs based on talent alone?

2010 - Team was eliminated before he took over
2011 - One of the worst defenses in league history/overhaul of the OL begins/iced kicker
2012 - Terrible defense still, lost to Skins in week 17
2013 - Romo back injury in week 16; loss to PHI
2014 - 12-4, Dez caught it
2015 - Brandon Weeden/Matt Cassel
2016 - Romo injured, 13-3
2017 - 9-7
2018 - 10-6, advanced to divisional round
2019 - 2-0 with a roster that's a shoe-in for postseason

I'd say that none of the seasons we missed were actual shoe-ins. The 2013 and 2017 teams had reasonable shots at making the playoffs. 2010, 2011, and 2012 would have been a case of a HC outkicking his coverage to get them in. The constant that bit us in 2013 and 2015 was not having a capable backup QB, not that that would have helped much in 2015 unless the backup were really good. 2013 is the one year where I think Garrett blew a game that might have cost us the post season. That was the GB game where he had the play calling dispute with Callahan. He also blew the AZ game back in 2011, not by 'icing' his kicker, but by mismanaging the play clock prior to that.

Other than that, though, he's clearly built a team. We've clearly gotten better. We've won more games than anyone else in the NFC since Dak's been here, and should have one of the best teams in the conference again this year. He's teams are prepared and play hard.

I can understand not liking him, or wanting an upgrade. I'm all for an upgrade myself if there's one out there. What I don't get is pretending the guy is a bad coach when he's clearly not.

Icing the kicker cost us 1 or 2 games that year?

Bob-Lillys-War · Sep 17, 2019

Idgit said:
One of which we were already eliminated when he took over at 1-7.

Of the other seasons, which teams did you think missed playoffs that were shoe-ins for playoffs based on talent alone?

2010 - Team was eliminated before he took over
2011 - One of the worst defenses in league history/overhaul of the OL begins/iced kicker
2012 - Terrible defense still, lost to Skins in week 17
2013 - Romo back injury in week 16; loss to PHI
2014 - 12-4, Dez caught it
2015 - Brandon Weeden/Matt Cassel
2016 - Romo injured, 13-3
2017 - 9-7
2018 - 10-6, advanced to divisional round
2019 - 2-0 with a roster that's a shoe-in for postseason

I'd say that none of the seasons we missed were actual shoe-ins. The 2013 and 2017 teams had reasonable shots at making the playoffs. 2010, 2011, and 2012 would have been a case of a HC outkicking his coverage to get them in. The constant that bit us in 2013 and 2015 was not having a capable backup QB, not that that would have helped much in 2015 unless the backup were really good. 2013 is the one year where I think Garrett blew a game that might have cost us the post season. That was the GB game where he had the play calling dispute with Callahan. He also blew the AZ game back in 2011, not by 'icing' his kicker, but by mismanaging the play clock prior to that.

Other than that, though, he's clearly built a team. We've clearly gotten better. We've won more games than anyone else in the NFC since Dak's been here, and should have one of the best teams in the conference again this year. He's teams are prepared and play hard.

I can understand not liking him, or wanting an upgrade. I'm all for an upgrade myself if there's one out there. What I don't get is pretending the guy is a bad coach when he's clearly not.

yep, excuses ...

if you are waiting for garrett to have an all pro , 22 pro bowler player team to make something meaningful... then good on you .

On the other hand.. injuries , not having the top offenses or defenses, rebuilding years, etc .. all part of the game.

garrett is not a bad coach , 3 playoff berths in 10 years , thats a horrible coach .

every team has injuries.

every team doesnt have the top QB.

every team doesnt have the top defense.

every team doesn't have the top offense.

every team has game management desicions .

every team has roster changes .

etc,,,

Idgit · Sep 17, 2019

408Cowboy said:
Icing the kicker cost us 1 or 2 games that year?

Icing cost us none. Not getting close enough to make the kick easier might have cost us that game, though. He definitely bungled the clock on that drive.

Idgit · Sep 17, 2019

Bob-Lillys-War said:
yep, excuses ...

if you are waiting for garrett to have an all pro , 22 pro bowler player team to make something meaningful... then good on you .

On the other hand.. injuries , not having the top offenses or defenses, rebuilding years, etc .. all part of the game.

garrett is not a bad coach , 3 playoff berths in 10 years , thats a horrible coach .

every team has injuries.

every team doesnt have the top QB.

every team doesnt have the top defense.

every team doesn't have the top offense.

every team has game management desicions .

every team has roster changes .

etc,,,

No excuses whatsoever. I simply gave you my take on which teams should have been expected to be playoff teams. Because a reasonable person understands that not every team should be expected to make the playoffs.

FWIW, I take the fact that you can't or won't identify DAL teams that missed but were actually talented enough that they should have gone to be an excuse to not answer the question directly because you'd have to admit some of those teams weren't actually playoff teams in the first place. And that throws your argument out the window.

Miller · Sep 17, 2019

CowboysFaninHouston said:
near perfect situation? ok, does this make Dak a lesser QB? he is surrounded by near perfect situation. just wondering if you live on both sides of the fence.

I look at coaches and players differently. People said Aikman wasn’t a HOF QB because of his line, Emmitt etc but at QB you still have to make the plays. Troys accuracy was unreal, especially in the playoffs and in a league where guys ran hard press coverage. Dak is doing great snd making the throws now.

With a coach...JG..he was our OCoordinator and was hired as an offensive HC. Then we were told he needed his own guy and more of a leadership role so his guy was Linehan. Then he needed another coordinator to take the blah offense that was 90s based to a new level. So now he has a boy genius, a bevy of WRs, a QB, a top RB etc. All I’m asking is what is his main contribution? Every coach that wins a championship has a great team and players but they usually have a specialty. So I want to know what his is now? Is it the team plays for him? I just feel in order for Jerry to get his “told ya” he spent a decade having to insulate JG. Making the team JG proof

morat1959 · Sep 17, 2019

Idgit said:
What you're saying about Garrett offenses and scoring, it's not accurate, btw.

And if the Cowboys go on to win the NFCE again, it'll be 4 of the last 6 for Garrett. And he'll be the first HC to repeat as division champion since the 2003-2004 Eagles. That's with a very good PHI team that's been keeping pace with him in the division the whole time.

And the East has won two Superbowls since Garrett's been in Dallas. It has not been in rebuild mode, at all.

This is the kind of stuff you guys really should be able to sort out for yourself, for the record. You can just keep believing what you want to believe, I guess, but the facts don't support it at all.

That’s because your definition of success and others are completely different. Winning the east is not the ultimate goal. How does other teams in the east winning the SB make the clapper a better coach. It just shows he can’t coach on the same level. You logic is out of whack!

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