Change my mind on Wentz vs Dak

starfrombirth

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No its because he is an transformational player. Just that easy.

Dont compare him to others who florished in Phily also. That doesn't prove else.
I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here... Could you rephrase or clarify please???
 

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Wentz is a transformational player. He elevates players around him. The offense runs thru him.

Dak right now is a player who needs talent around him. The offensive gameplan this year helps him protecting his weaknesses.

Dont listen to pictures like this. Its a fan who likes to create controversy.

The talking heads in the media were going on and on about how stacked the Eagles team was with talent ........ and this transformational player of yours has had one good half out of 4 this year and looked like trash the other 3.

That does not even take into account how he has to go to the tent every time he is touched by an opposing player.
 

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EVerything but the bold is true. The bold is nonsense. Wentz is as likeable a guy as I have seen in the NFL. I like him a lot just can't stand who he plays for. He is a good guy.
He is a good guy but reports surfaced this offseason that people in his locker room don't like him.

Where there is smoke...
 

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Arm talent. But Dak is polishing his craft daily, and has off the charts intangibles.

Look, Dak's the superior QB by every measure. While everyone is waiting for the glass slipper to fall off, his play is bubbling into elite level company.

Everyone keeps laughing, but Dak is actually laying the groundwork for a potential HOF career.
Yup...been saying it. He will own all of the Dallas passing records when it is all said and done and if he wins bowl(s), will someday be in the Hall if it continues.
 

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Several of his teammates disagree with you.

https://www.phillyvoice.com/carson-...agles-quarterback-as-selfish-not-team-player/

“Sources describing him as “selfish,” “uncompromising,” “egotistical,” one who plays “favorites” and doesn’t like to be “questioned,” one who needs to “practice what he preaches" and fails “to take accountability.”

Numerous sources confirmed Wentz was once verbally attacked by a highly respected teammate for not being “a team guy.”
You will never see a report like this about Dak. Never.
 

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The funniest thing is that those who say that Dak's great start to this season shouldn't count because it was against the Giants and Skins. Yet, Wentz got credit for the plays he made to come back against the Skins and then had a 6.2 rating against the more decent team in ATL. The double standards are still going on. Those who say that Dak's stats against bad teams or defenses don't matter or shouldn't count, aren't going to go through Wentz career and subtract impressive yards and TDs that he put up against bad teams or below average to bad defenses.

Guaranteed that if Wentz puts up big numbers against the Giants Defense, that you won't see the same people going "Well, it's just the Giants." Or at least they aren't going to let it being the Giants stop them from praising Wentz or getting exciting over the good game he puts up against them. But, with Dak or Cowboys fans, the Anti-Dak crowd doesn't want us to get excited or be happy about the good games he has against teams like the Giants. :rolleyes::laugh:
Including his "mvp" year where the whole schedule was quesitonable. I said it at the time, bad competition and more wide open wr's the entire season than I ever have seen in the NFL. Usually at some point the NFL catches up a bit but they never did that year...

I was right because Foles came in and won it.
 

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I wonder what happened to the Doug Pederson hype...thiss board people were going gaga....it seems that it wasn't Pederson but Reich......who is not having some success in Indy. maybe Pederson isn't all that after all
Correct!

Pederson is a fat headed, nose breathing, bafoon.

IN love with the pass and completely discounts the run game. Is on a tremendous string of gambles paying off but that luck will end soon.
 

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Wentz is a really good QB, lets not kid ourselves. However, maybe that is his issue. I mean, he has all the physical tools but I don’t think it’s possible to match Dak’s work ethic. I think Dak has proven his poise in critical game situations and Wentz doesn’t match Dak in this area.

Then, of course, there is the durability issue, not just games missed but the ability to take a hit and keep playing. Dak is a far better runner.

Still, Wentz is accurate and has a very strong arm. He may actually be the better passer but Dak is the better quarterback overall.

Still, Wentz can beat you and I don’t look forward to the Cowboys playing against him.
 

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I will always see Dak as the compensatory 4th round pick passed up by all other teams in this league (#135). Carson Wentz was the guy Philly sold the farm for to move up to the 2nd overall pick.

Wentz should be towering over Dak's production after 3 seasons and two games. Is it?
 

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He will.

You’ll just have to come grips with it and be objective for once in your life.
You are right but it shouldn't be that way.

Literally, he played amazing for 2 playoff stretches and has been mediocre to below average for his career. This should not be rewarded with Hall of Fame honors. He gets his accolades by being super bowl MVP twice...that will be talked about forever.

It should not be rewarded with the HOF. I say the same about Namath and Plunkett.
 

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You are right but it shouldn't be that way.

Literally, he played amazing for 2 playoff stretches and has been mediocre to below average for his career. This should not be rewarded with Hall of Fame honors. He gets his accolades by being super bowl MVP twice...that will be talked about forever.

It should not be rewarded with the HOF. I say the same about Namath and Plunkett.
Eli is going to the Hall of Fame for the same reasons Joe Namath did.

They played New York and won a Super Bowl.

Both are .500 for their career. Eli is 161-161 in the regular season, and Namath is 64-64-4.
 

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Eli is going to the Hall of Fame for the same reasons Joe Namath did.

They played New York and won a Super Bowl.

Both are .500 for their career. Eli is 161-161 in the regular season, and Namath is 64-64-4.
I get it and said those two shouldn't be in either.

I think it cheapens the HOF if Eli gets in.
 
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