NFL Refs calling more Holding (Up 66%)

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Is this the still pick of Irving being held during the playoff game. The play rogers threw the pass to get them in fg range. We missed going to OT because of this. And Byron being out of position.
 

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A still picture is no more an indication of holding than a DB's hand on a receiver's shoulder is an indication of pass interference. Both are penalties determined by motion to determine restriction.
The image @CowboysRule posted is an illustration of something that occurred during a set play. In your opinion based on the still image, would you say:

a) it was a hold?
b) it is not a hold?
c) you have no opinion since it is not an animated gif showing what happened from the snap of the ball to the blown whistle?
d) none of the above
 

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Thank God. It got pretty old going half a season without a holding call against our opponents
 

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A still picture is no more an indication of holding than a DB's hand on a receiver's shoulder is an indication of pass interference. Both are penalties determined by motion to determine restriction.
Dudebro has him in a sleeper hold though...not just a hand on his shoulder.
 

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I like how no matter where a free agent came from, even with a history of penalties, they learn discipline when they play for the Patriots and sin no more.

Coincidence or strong Patriot values must be the answer

Or the answer must be the refs don't call penalties on them .

I've seen many many holdings from the pats o-line , and the refs never flag'em .

No coincidence & strong Patriot cheating is the answer .
 

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Was it Denver, or SF, heck maybe another team, was notorious for the chop block and then it was the leg whip. Took a long time for the NFL to crack down on that.
After they won their SB's in the 90's.

Maybe now GB and NE will get there due, and get called for them, if teams starts pointing them out, sending in game film to that idiot in charge of the NFL.
 

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Was it Denver, or SF, heck maybe another team, was notorious for the chop block and then it was the leg whip. Took a long time for the NFL to crack down on that.
After they won their SB's in the 90's.

Maybe now GB and NE will get there due, and get called for them, if teams starts pointing them out, sending in game film to that idiot in charge of the NFL.
I looked up how many holding calls were made on teams in 2018 and NE had the 12th most; GB was 16th.
Here’s a great website for tracking penalties: http://www.nflpenalties.com/penalty/offensive-holding?year=2018
 

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Dudebro has him in a sleeper hold though...not just a hand on his shoulder.
Maybe a hunt began yesterday to find video, containing that particular still photo, to serve as a future counter-argument that there was no foul committed. If so, Dean Blandino would be proud. :rolleyes::p
 

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The image @CowboysRule posted is an illustration of something that occurred during a set play. In your opinion based on the still image, would you say:

a) it was a hold?
b) it is not a hold?
c) you have no opinion since it is not an animated gif showing what happened from the snap of the ball to the blown whistle?
d) none of the above

I think what I said is quite clear. Can one tell from a photo that there was "material restriction" per the rule in question? Does a photo of a hand on a facemask mean there's a facemask penalty? I mean, am I wrong here?
 

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Dudebro has him in a sleeper hold though...not just a hand on his shoulder.

You're missing my point. It's a photo. Do you know how they each got into that position? It's a motion penalty and as such one would need to see the motion that occurred to put the players in that position and whether "material restriction" happened. From the game, I don't remember Irving even complaining on the field the way players do when they think they're being held, not that that means much because the DL always thinks they're being held, but still.
 

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I think what I said is quite clear. Can one tell from a photo that there was "material restriction" per the rule in question? Does a photo of a hand on a facemask mean there's a facemask penalty? I mean, am I wrong here?
In my opinion?

Yes.
 

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In my opinion?

Yes.

So holding, pass interference, and facemasks can be determined by still photos? When pass interference is reviewed by officials now, they get shown still photos to make the determination? Lol. Okay.
 

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It is ridiculous to think it is not possible to tell from a still photo. You do not need to know how either of the Cowboys players in these photos got in their respective positions to know they were being held.

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So holding, pass interference, and facemasks can be determined by still photos? When pass interference is reviewed by officials now, they get shown still photos to make the determination? Lol. Okay.
When the OL is behind the DL but is somehow holding him back should be a pretty clear indicator, not to mention his arm wrapped around his neck? Did Irving decide to walk in place for no reason?
 

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So holding, pass interference, and facemasks can be determined by still photos? When pass interference is reviewed by officials now, they get shown still photos to make the determination? Lol. Okay.
That was a little excessive but I am guilty of not being specific in my previous reply. My reply was concerning the still photo. I have no comment or interest about pass interference or facemask penalty scenarios that you have alluded to. My response was solely concerning offensive lineman holding as per the still photo, provided by @CowboysRule , I specified earlier.

Additionally, I did not make any earlier hypothetical proposals suggesting NFL officials should begin making on-field rulings based solely on still photos. I will reiterate my earlier inquiry here, which is directly solely for you (not NFL officials, fellow CZ members, etc.) to address if you were so inclined:
The image @CowboysRule posted is an illustration of something that occurred during a set play. In your opinion based on the still image, would you say:

a) it was a hold?
b) it is not a hold?
c) you have no opinion since it is not an animated gif showing what happened from the snap of the ball to the blown whistle?
d) none of the above
In closing, it does not matter now whether you offer an opinion or not since an unnecessary (my opinion) clarification was later needed.
 
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