Twitter: PFF Top Grades on Defense: Cowboys in Week 2

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 18, 2019

Proof said:
is this a serious question?

Yes it is.

Hennessy_King · Sep 18, 2019

Look we don't need PFF to tell us our defense needs to be better

19th in yards per play
18th in yards per game
13th in points per game
17th in points per drive
21st pass defense
30th in rushing yards per attempt
20th in penalties giving the offense a first down
17th in takeaways
Tied for 28th in sacks
30th in sack %
dead last in tackles for loss.
tied for 21st in redzone %

I will say our 3rd down defense has been on point being 4th best % in the league but teams have also converted half of 4th downs on us. 3 out of 6. So our 1st and 2nd down defense has not been good.

bsbellomy · Sep 18, 2019

rocyaice said:
Huh? So because the ball hit him on the side of the head that means what exactly?

It means you have no idea where the ball is. The most important thing for a DB is to locate the ball. I've watched a lot of football and never seen a player that lost on the field.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 18, 2019

bsbellomy said:
It means you have no idea where the ball is. The most important thing for a DB is to locate the ball. I've watched a lot of football and never seen a player that lost on the field.

I understand that but I’m asking in regards to his game on Sunday...so because the ball hit him on his helmet means he had a bad game? Lost or not he was solid. Doesn’t mean he’s good but he had a decent game.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 18, 2019

Hennessy_King said:
Look we don't need PFF to tell us our defense needs to be better

19th in yards per play

18th in yards per game

13th in points per game

17th in points per drive

21st pass defense

30th in rushing yards per attempt

20th in penalties giving the offense a first down

17th in takeaways

Tied for 28th in sacks

30th in sack %

dead last in tackles for loss.

tied for 21st in redzone %

I will say our 3rd down defense has been on point being 4th best % in the league but teams have also converted half of 4th downs on us. 3 out of 6. So our 1st and 2nd down defense has not been good.

It needs to be better but it seems like thus far garbage yards and points have been put up against them. It will even itself out as the season goes on.

Hennessy_King · Sep 18, 2019

rocyaice said:
It needs to be better but it seems like thus far garbage yards and points have been put up against them. It will even itself out as the season goes on.

I don't buy the garbage time stuff. Those players are out there to play they aren't out there trying to have bad tape they want to get paid as well.

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 18, 2019

Hennessy_King said:
I don't buy the garbage time stuff. Those players are out there to play they aren't out there trying to have bad tape they want to get paid as well.

It’s the scheme. They literally give them whatever they want except the deep ball. It’s wild to watch. That with Brady and Rodgers at the end of the game and they are gonna get a L.

America's Cowboy · Sep 18, 2019

Sydla said:
I kind of expected this from you. After getting caught making a silly point and having no real comeback, resort to nitpicking one unimportant aspect of the debate.Semantics. Your post was "and people want to replace Heath" with a head slapping emoji. You were calling out people for wanting Heath replaced because PFF graded him well in his last game.

The same PFF that has rated him one of the worst starting safeties in football over the last two seasons.

Why does PFF's grade against Washington matter and carry weight but their grades over the past two seasons, apparently not count, when it comes to who is right or wrong about Heath's play?

What grade are you in? 3rd grade? Can't understand that Heath can actually improve on his performance from the past? It's like arguing with a child. Smh

JohnnyHopkins · Sep 18, 2019

America's Cowboy said:
...and some people want to bench or get rid of Jeff Heath?

People with two first names are typically twice as good as normal players. All you people should remember that when parenthood comes calling.

Proof · Sep 18, 2019

rocyaice said:
Yes it is.

I don’t necessarily fault Heath and glad he broke up the play, but it really shows a lack of awareness on the play. Whether that’s fair or not it’s definitely not something you want on your highlight reel

Beaker42 · Sep 18, 2019

rocyaice said:
It’s funny because there were posts about all 5 of those guys and how they sucked on Sunday lol. This is hilarious lol.

Now we know why Xavier isn’t a slot receiver. His hands suck. He dropped a sure pick 6.

Sydla · Sep 18, 2019

America's Cowboy said:
What grade are you in? 3rd grade? Can't understand that Heath can actually improve on his performance from the past? It's like arguing with a child. Smh

Given he's been in the league for as long as he has, it's pretty unlikely he's going to get better. Further, after two years of basically poor grades, he also got a not so good grade from PFF in the first game against the Giants.

So in all likelihood, the Skins game will show to be an outlier in terms of how PFF views him. And that's really the point being made. The only child here is you who often can't stand when the flaws in your arguments are pointed out to you. In this case, you wanted to basically ignore two years (and a game in 2019) of average to bad ratings from PFF on Heath, and claim Heath is good, and all the Heath detractors are wrong about him, because he graded out well in the last game.

America's Cowboy · Sep 18, 2019

Sydla said:
Given he's been in the league for as long as he has, it's pretty unlikely he's going to get better. Further, after two years of basically poor grades, he also got a not so good grade from PFF in the first game against the Giants.

So in all likelihood, the Skins game will show to be an outlier in terms of how PFF views him. And that's really the point being made. The only child here is you who often can't stand when the flaws in your arguments are pointed out to you. In this case, you wanted to basically ignore two years (and a game in 2019) of average to bad ratings from PFF on Heath, and claim Heath is good, and all the Heath detractors are wrong about him, because he graded out well in the last game.

Where is your proof? You're likely just making ish up. Regardless, Heath played very well against the Commanders. Too bad you can't accept that.

Sydla · Sep 18, 2019

America's Cowboy said:
Where is your proof? You're likely just making ish up. Regardless, Heath played very well against the Commanders. Too bad you can't accept that.

I never said he played poorly against the Commanders. I just pointed out that it's bizarre claiming you were right about Heath and detractors were wrong about him based on just one game, using a grading system (PFF) that had him the lowest rated Cowboys starter in 2018, for example.

He had a rating of 56.4 in 2018 (comparably, Lawrence was the highest rated starter with a grade near 90).

TheMarathonContinues · Sep 18, 2019

Beaker42 said:
Now we know why Xavier isn’t a slot receiver. His hands suck. He dropped a sure pick 6.

That wasn’t his hands that was him thinking he had a touchdown before he caught it. He was off to the races.

jnday · Sep 18, 2019

I have read repeatedly on this board that PFF is garbage and that their rankings are trash. It is amazing how they are used for sources to post rankings when the rankings are favorable to the Cowboys.

xwalker · Sep 18, 2019

America's Cowboy said:
...and some people want to bench or get rid of Jeff Heath?

I'm saving this and posting it every time someone mentions PFF...

xwalker · Sep 18, 2019

ScipioCowboy said:
Seems like they could solve the problem by moving Heath to FS and starting Wilson at SS...for now.

Wilson played almost all of this snaps in the preseason at FS...

America's Cowboy · Sep 18, 2019

xwalker said:
I'm saving this and posting it every time someone mentions PFF...

Why? You don't like PFF's ranking?

America's Cowboy · Sep 18, 2019

Sydla said:
I never said he played poorly against the Commanders. I just pointed out that it's bizarre claiming you were right about Heath and detractors were wrong about him based on just one game, using a grading system (PFF) that had him the lowest rated Cowboys starter in 2018, for example.

He had a rating of 56.4 in 2018 (comparably, Lawrence was the highest rated starter with a grade near 90).

And??? That was last year! This is a new year! What is so hard for you to get this through your thick skull?

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