Review: Heath vs Giants & Skins

CF74 · Sep 18, 2019

C’mon fans, post 5 plays!!! :angry:

Like everybody has time or cares to watch a jag on the All-22... :facepalm:

Praxit · Sep 18, 2019

..I like guy but he's the weaklink. He's not the worse, but does average job. We need to plug in an upgrade in that area. Keep him for backup.

Toruk_Makto · Sep 18, 2019

Sydla said:
Pretty much.

Heath is a great team player to have for special teams, backup S and certain packages. He shouldn't be a starting SS because he's decidedly average, at best, there.

Wouldn't a player who is "decidedly average" by very definition be a starter?

Words have meaning ladies and gents.

This goes to the weird habit uninformed and overly emotional fans have of rating players either a pro bowler, future or bowler or a bum who should be out of the league.

Don't be uninformed and overly emotional ladies and gents.

SoupcanSam · Sep 18, 2019

Sydla said:
Jeff Heath would use berry.

That is an insult. A can of berry is more than capable of playing safety better than Jeff Heath.

SoupcanSam · Sep 18, 2019

windjc said:
Are you serious? Woods lead the team in tackles two weeks in a row. He is a player. Get a grip.

I'm talking about heath.

When refusing to actually read goes wrong.

Get a clue.

windjc · Sep 18, 2019

I quoted you by accident

RoboQB · Sep 18, 2019

SoupcanSam said:
I'm talking about heath.

When refusing to actually read goes wrong.

Get a clue.

What you wrote was that an upgrade was needed "at both safety positions".
The other poster read that perfectly. Pay attention to the words you're typing... lol

SoupcanSam · Sep 18, 2019

RoboQB said:
What you wrote was that an upgrade was needed "at both safety positions".
The other poster read that perfectly. Pay attention to the words you're typing... lol

Since we are on woods, how about him being injury prone? You ever pay attention to that?

Who wouldnt want an upgrade over that.

:facepalm:

droopdog7 · Sep 18, 2019

CF74 said:
Cliff Notes: He’s serviceable.

Reality, upgrade is long over due..

Carry on with your man crush....

Reality is he is underappreciated. Reality is you need those kind of guys on the team. Not everyone can be a star.

Sydla · Sep 18, 2019

Toruk_Makto said:
Wouldn't a player who is "decidedly average" by very definition be a starter?

Words have meaning ladies and gents.

This goes to the weird habit uninformed and overly emotional fans have of rating players either a pro bowler, future or bowler or a bum who should be out of the league.

Don't be uninformed and overly emotional ladies and gents.

No. Why does an average player have to be a starter? Joe Looney is an average OL. But he's not necessarily someone I want starting. He was serviceable last year in filling in for Frederick but he isn't someone we should have been comfortable as the full time starter for us going forward.

But I guess if you want to do the math. Let's assume 4 safeties per team, that's 128 safeties in the league. Average is around the middle so let's say average is 50-70? So I guess then, technically, if you are an average safety you are a starter, granted one of the worst starters, but a starter nonetheless. That's Jeff Heath. I think the Cowboys should do better than the 50th-70th best S.

And there it is again, the ridiculously silly commentary that if you think a player isn't good enough to start for the Cowboys then that person thinks he's a bum and conversely thinks they should have an All Pro caliber player at every position.

That's some of the laziest, most intellectually dishonest drivel on the board. I don't think he's a bum. He has value in what he can do. Being a starting SS is not one of those things.

CF74 · Sep 18, 2019

droopdog7 said:
Reality is he is underappreciated. Reality is you need those kind of guys on the team. Not everyone can be a star.

Well you’re certainly entitled to your little opinion, even if it’s wrong.. He’s a second string quality starter. Obviously we need him because we haven’t found anybody better but an upgrade would really improve this defense...

CB61 · Sep 18, 2019

RoboQB said:
And there it is...
Certain posters on here call him trash... the worst FS in the league.
Yet others reply with civility that he, in fact, is not trash and while, yes,
it is an upgradable spot, Heath is not nearly as bad as the hyperbole hate
from some fans. And what happens? They are accused of having "man crushes".

It's sad, really.

I didn't see that it was calling him trash? We've been long overdue for an upgrade there , I think once Donovan Wilson is healthy you will see him really competing for playing time with heath

Toruk_Makto · Sep 18, 2019

Before I begin....is this real life?

Sydla said:
No. Why does an average player have to be a starter?

Did you start off your post asking why on a 53 man roster, in a league with a salary cap, why you have to have some league average starters?
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Really?

Sydla said:
But I guess if you want to do the math.

I like math.

Sydla said:
Let's assume 4 safeties per team, that's 128 safeties in the league. Average is around the middle so let's say average is 50-70? So I guess then, technically, if you are an average safety you are a starter, granted one of the worst starters, but a starter nonetheless.

This is literally not how an average would work. You had me with math and then you messed up with the definition of average. Average isn't a hard concept!

Heath is an average starting safety. If we assume there are 64 starting safeties in football then heath slots in at 32. No 50-70 of all safeties in football. Many of whom are only special teams types and who are never pressed into regular action.

You are showing yourself to be woefully misinformed.

Sydla said:
That's Jeff Heath. I think the Cowboys should do better than the 50th-70th best S.

Heath is no the 50-70th best safety on an NFL roster. This is stupidity.

Sydla said:
And there it is again, the ridiculously silly commentary that if you think a player isn't good enough to start for the Cowboys then that person thinks he's a bum and conversely thinks they should have an All Pro caliber player at every position.

You literally said you don't feel comfortable with an average player starting for your team. This is the very definition of you're either an all pro or you stink mentality.

Sydla said:
That's some of the laziest, most intellectually dishonest drivel on the board. I don't think he's a bum. He has value in what he can do. Being a starting SS is not one of those things.

Irony.[/QUOTE]

Verdict · Sep 18, 2019

xwalker said:
I reviewed all snaps played on defense by Jeff Heath in games 1 & 2 of 2019.

I rate plays as:
Pass
Fail
Good Enough

An example of Good Enough is when it should have been a 5 yard gain but instead was a 7 yard gain but still was not enough for the opponent to get a 1st down.

For both games combined I had the following:
5 plays that were possible fails.
5 plays that were good enough.
All other plays Pass.

Of the 5 possible fails:
3 were almost identical plays. Heath made the same deliberate move each time; therefore, I can't say with 100% certainty that he was at fault.

1 play was the 59 yard run by Barkley. Heath was 15 yards back from the line at the point Barkley crossed the line of scrimmage. It was open field with only Heath between Barkley and the endzone. The probability of making the tackle is below 50% for any Safety considering that Barkley is a top 3 RB and possibly the best open field RB in the NFL. Where Heath failed was in not cutting off Barkley's path to the outside. If Heath had moved more to the outside, then Barkley would cut back inside where other defenders were located. I would still likely be a 20 plus yard gain, but it might have been less than the 59 yards. Awuzie would likely need to be in on the tackle but would obviously be much closer than than having to cross the entire field which is what actually happened on the play.

1 play was the ball hitting Heath's helmet. This play was a Pass or at worst case a Good Enough play as the pass was incomplete. Heath was looking at the WR and DB covering him & was focused on not colliding with them. It does seem odd that he didn't look up at the ball because he had been looking right at the QB until the QB started this throwing motion. It might have been funny to see for some fans but this not a fail.

The group of fans that love to complain about Heath are comical. Let's call the group Heath Haters for reference.

Nobody that I've seen is saying that Jeff Heath is a great player. We would all take a healthy Derwin James type player at Strong Safety if given the choice, but having Vander Esch at LB is more valuable than upgrading from Heath at SS.

Heath Haters as a group are comically uninformed.

I don't really understand the emotional need that people have to continually post about how much they think certain players suck.

I had a thread earlier this year called "Cowboys Safety Quiz". None of the Heath haters could show that they knew any details about the Cowboys Safeties and how the Cowboys used them in 2018 & 2017. Most didn't even know if Heath played SS or FS. None of them appear to have signed up for the NFL Game Pass to review the All-22 coaches film. Safety more than any position is difficult to evaluate based on broadcast game footage.

People that have posted dozens of times that Heath sucks can't even be bothered to review the games to see the details of what Heath does or does not do well. Most just repeat what they've heard such as "bad angles". A few have concluded that Heath lacks lateral agility. I've seen several say that Heath is too slow which is one of the most moronic statements that I've seen anywhere with regards to the Cowboys players. Heath has good speed for a Safety. That should be obvious considering that last year he chased down Barkley from behind. Heath's 4.48 forty time should also be a clue.

Heath isn’t an all pro but he is a good player. You can win with a team filled out with Jeff Heath level players. He gets way too much hate around here.

I’m a lot more concerned at DT and backup QB. I’d take Heath over Witten all day every day. Sean Lee too at this point.

KMY_Amber · Sep 18, 2019

Verdict said:
Heath isn’t an all pro but he is a good player. You can win with a team filled out with Jeff Heath level players.

This truly made me chuckle out loud, as I imagine 11 Heaths running around on defense.

I hope someone close to Heath reads this thread and alerts him to it so he scans it as well. I have to say, you guys defend Heath pretty well, especially the OP. He should read how well he's playing so far this season.

Verdict · Sep 18, 2019

KMY_Amber said:
This truly made me chuckle out loud.

I hope someone close to Heath reads this thread and alerts him to it so he scans it as well. I have to say, you guys defend Heath pretty well, especially the OP.

He’s no all pro but he’s a good player. I guess we can agree to disagree about that. Watch the games. He’s not the weak link although he makes mistakes from time to time.

CF74 · Sep 18, 2019

Verdict said:
He’s no all pro but he’s a good player. I guess we can agree to disagree about that. Watch the games. He’s not the weak link although he makes mistakes from time to time.

You’re just in love with his Cheap contract...

RoboQB · Sep 18, 2019

SoupcanSam said:
Since we are on woods, how about him being injury prone? You ever pay attention to that?

Who wouldnt want an upgrade over that.

Just pointing out what you typed, then denied and insulted a poster over it and then admitted to saying... smh, indeed.

RoboQB · Sep 18, 2019

CB61 said:
I didn't see that it was calling him trash? We've been long overdue for an upgrade there , I think once Donovan Wilson is healthy you will see him really competing for playing time with heath

I believe I stated "certain posters". They know who they are.
They literally type out on this board that he is "trash".

sbark · Sep 18, 2019

Creeper said:
Heath will make some great plays every now and then, like when he stopped Carr short of the goal line against Oakland last year. But overall, he lacks awareness and anticipation in the passing game and he take poor angles in the running game. I think that's why we sometimes see a huge hold and no one any where nearby to fill it. A great safety will stuff a lot of running plays at or behind the line.

Like when he stopped ertz short of 1st down late last year to secure division crown....kind a big deal

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