What role Does Stephen play in Garrett being here?

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This came up in another thread. We all know Garrett is Jerrys hand picked puppet. But is Stephen a fan of Garrett? If Stephen was running this thing, would firing Garrett be one of his first moves? Or do Stephen and Garrett work hand and hand to team up on Jerry?

Opinions and any kind of evidence one way or the other?
 

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Opinions and any kind of evidence one way or the other?


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I think Stephen is looking to get the best parts to get Cowboys wins.
If that means - that he thinks a coaching upgrade is needed - he will make the change.
Within this - any new coach would be told - yes you have a say in drafting but the Will McClay group holds the final vote.
 

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In reality, isn't every NFL coach the owner's puppet?
 

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Cant really give an honest opinion till I saw them interact on a regular basis and got a feel for the dynamic between them . I dont even have a gut feeling , Im out on this one
 

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Wow.....Dak is playing great through two games, so even at 2-0, we have to point our displeasure and hate somewhere, and now it’s on Jason Garrett.

Check your history. There’s only one reason Garrett is our head coach. He was running a top 5 offense as OC. Jerry paid him huge money to keep him as coordinator so he wouldn’t go be a head coach elsewhere, and there was interest. He had interviews and an offer according to reports. Jerry stuck with him through some growing pains and now views him as a successful head coach. You can pick on him for anything you wish. But Garrett has been here for a long time now through up and down years, and no team has ever quit on him. He’s never lost a locker room. He’s never had players badmouthing him, not even after they leave. The Cowboys play hard for him. So what is he doesn’t currently coach the offense or defense. He HAS done it, and I’m sure he plays a role in weekly game planning. He’s like plenty of other coaches, like Tomlinson in Pittsburg. He just doesn’t have the SB.....yet.
 

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https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-keep-jason-garrett-but-back-against-the-wall

If this is true, and not just some Jones-ism then I assume he likes Garrett too but wants to see results from the team before re-signing him.

Yah, that almost makes it more grey. In one breath he says the company line about the Jones family liking Garrett. But then is HE the one pushing Jerry to make him prove it? Is he the one that convinced Jerry NOT to give him a new contract unless he performs?

Hard to tell.
 

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Stephen made a cryptic comment about Garrett during the offseason. Something to the effect of:

"I give plenty of input, but it's ultimately Jerry's decision."

THAT is the one that sticks out in my head. This hints to the fact that Garrett is 100% Jerry's guy and that if it was up to him, things might be different. Did you read it that way?
 

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THAT is the one that sticks out in my head. This hints to the fact that Garrett is 100% Jerry's guy and that if it was up to him, things might be different. Did you read it that way?
Certainly did.

I think Jerry is attached to Garrett because he's 'too old' to start over and thinks his team is able to win now with this coach. I think Stephen is more of the realist of the two. Not saying that Garrett could never win a Super Bowl, but history has shown us that we always choke away the big games.
 

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This came up in another thread. We all know Garrett is Jerrys hand picked puppet. But is Stephen a fan of Garrett? If Stephen was running this thing, would firing Garrett be one of his first moves? Or do Stephen and Garrett work hand and hand to team up on Jerry?

Opinions and any kind of evidence one way or the other?
I think that we fans forget that Garrett is a family friend also and he and Stephen are fairly tight. Does it mean Stephen wouldn't fire him, absolutely NOT. Who would you replace Garrett with and please exclude Sean Payton as he just signed a 5 year extension with New Orleans. All the good ones currently coaching in the NFL are not going anywhere unless you want as old rethread which I do not.
 

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This came up in another thread. We all know Garrett is Jerrys hand picked puppet. But is Stephen a fan of Garrett? If Stephen was running this thing, would firing Garrett be one of his first moves? Or do Stephen and Garrett work hand and hand to team up on Jerry?

Opinions and any kind of evidence one way or the other?
Its really all speculative. There has been some evidence but again the opinions we draw from them are basically speculation.

My hunch is it’s all still Jerry’s call. Stephen even defers questions regarding it to Jerry . But I also believe Stephen has his daddy’s ear.

It all goes back to accepting Jerry’s personal agenda or passion in his pursuit to proven he can build a championship team without an Ego like Jimmy who took all of the credit.

I believe Stephen fully supports Jerry’s agenda. And does everything within his power to influence decisions. And I think we’ve seen some of those influences. I’d think Stephen probably thinks similar to my thoughts that if we’re going to have a puppet as HC , Garrett appears as much as we might hope for.
 

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THAT is the one that sticks out in my head. This hints to the fact that Garrett is 100% Jerry's guy and that if it was up to him, things might be different. Did you read it that way?
We really don’t know what Stephen would do. And why would he have more say than Jerry Jr and Charlotte once Jerry is gone?

I’d suspect assuming all of the kids agreed that Stephen wouldn’t assume the GM role. He’d more likely assume the Presidents role and hire a real GM, VP of personnel , a real HC and let them run football operations . Stephen would oversee more like Presidents and owners normally do.

I seriously don’t expect Stephen or any of the siblings to operate in the same fashion Daddy has.
 

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Certainly did.

I think Jerry is attached to Garrett because he's 'too old' to start over and thinks his team is able to win now with this coach. I think Stephen is more of the realist of the two. Not saying that Garrett could never win a Super Bowl, but history has shown us that we always choke away the big games.

What history has shown is that we can even make the championship game with Garrett in charge of the offense. This is new territory with Moore in control. With Garrett out of the way of the offense, it might be enough with the talent we have.
 

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I think that we fans forget that Garrett is a family friend also and he and Stephen are fairly tight. Does it mean Stephen wouldn't fire him, absolutely NOT. Who would you replace Garrett with and please exclude Sean Payton as he just signed a 5 year extension with New Orleans. All the good ones currently coaching in the NFL are not going anywhere unless you want as old rethread which I do not.

You are asking the wrong guy. In my mind, almost anyone is better than Garrett. Heck, I would take Richards over Garrett.

However, with Garrett finally pushed fully away from the offense and Moore in charge, I am more happy with Garrett where he is.

If all he has to do is give speeches, organize, and clap on the sidelines he certainly can do that.
 

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Its really all speculative. There has been some evidence but again the opinions we draw from them are basically speculation.

My hunch is it’s all still Jerry’s call. Stephen even defers questions regarding it to Jerry . But I also believe Stephen has his daddy’s ear.

It all goes back to accepting Jerry’s personal agenda or passion in his pursuit to proven he can build a championship team without an Ego like Jimmy who took all of the credit.

I believe Stephen fully supports Jerry’s agenda. And does everything within his power to influence decisions. And I think we’ve seen some of those influences. I’d think Stephen probably thinks similar to my thoughts that if we’re going to have a puppet as HC , Garrett appears as much as we might hope for.

I agree with most of what you just said. But you point out that Stephen goes along with Jerry because he knows that Garrett might be the best puppet we could hope for. But what you are really pointing to is that IF STEPHEN WERE IN CHARGE he would fire Garrett and get a non puppet type coach in here. I don't think Stephen would want a puppet. He, more than anyone has seen the errors in that course of coaching hire.
 

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Behind the scenes Garrett is not who he appears to be on tv. On tv you see him clapping but if you saw that last season of Hard Knocks he was cussing like a sailor and it wasn’t pretty.

Having said that it has been said everything is done by committee but ultimately Jerry wields the final veto. To answer your question Stephen and Garrett are subject to Jerry but they have a lot of leeway until the results take a dip. I tend to believe Stephen would want to bring in another coach if we had a losing record for more than two to three years in a row.. Do they gang up on Jerry? Nobody gangs up on Jerry....
 

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We really don’t know what Stephen would do. And why would he have more say than Jerry Jr and Charlotte once Jerry is gone?

I’d suspect assuming all of the kids agreed that Stephen wouldn’t assume the GM role. He’d more likely assume the Presidents role and hire a real GM, VP of personnel , a real HC and let them run football operations . Stephen would oversee more like Presidents and owners normally do.

I seriously don’t expect Stephen or any of the siblings to operate in the same fashion Daddy has.

Don't agree on that one. Stephen is definitely the next guy in line. He has been positioned that way. Im sure they would all discuss but Stephen would be the guy.

Not sure about the GM thing, however. That is a good question.
 
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