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I just find it odd that every head coach in NFL history that won a SB did so before their 9th season with their team.

So you are telling me that Garrett is going to do something no other head coach in NFL history has done?

I don't know if he'll do it or not, Superbowls aren't guaranteed to anybody. But the stat that nobody gets 9 years without a Superbowl isn't particularly relevant to the job he's doing as a coach. Coaches don't get 9 years in most markets because their GMs aren't guaranteed jobs for life. That's not the case in Dallas. Jerry Jones has the luxury of keeping a guy he likes if he knows he's doing a good job and if he has his eyes open and realizes the team has steadily gotten better.

The truth of the matter, wherever you want to admit it or not, is that Garrett would have been fired for his record if it was any other team but Dallas. His leash has been longer than what anybody else in the league gets, and I think you know that. The fact that he is the longest tenured head coach in the NFL to not take his team to a SB kinda proves it.

That's not the truth of the matter, at all. You guys keep acting like he's supposed to apologize for winning more games than the other NFC teams over a 3-4 year span now. He's not supposed to apologize for that. And if he's not renewed in Dallas for whatever reason, he'll sign a long-term deal with a good team in another market in time for 2020.
 

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This thread is just further evidence for my belief that many here value being “right” over anything else.

No matter what he does Garrett will always suck to them because if he doesn’t, then they were wrong and we can’t have that.

Not me...……….my opposition to Garrett is his record, plain and simple.

For an NFL head coach in his 9th season, he should have more on his resume than a pair of wildcard wins. I dont think that is being "a hater", in fact I think that is a very reasonable position to take considering that no other head coach in the NFL with Garrett's track record is still employed. Every other head coach in the NFL that has been on the job 9 years or more has taken their team to the SB, except for Jason Garrett. That is not me being a hater, that is just a simple fact.
 

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I don't know if he'll do it or not, Superbowls aren't guaranteed to anybody. But the stat that nobody gets 9 years without a Superbowl isn't particularly relevant to the job he's doing as a coach. Coaches don't get 9 years in most markets because their GMs aren't guaranteed jobs for life. That's not the case in Dallas. Jerry Jones has the luxury of keeping a guy he likes if he knows he's doing a good job and if he has his eyes open and realizes the team has steadily gotten better.



That's not the truth of the matter, at all. You guys keep acting like he's supposed to apologize for winning more games than the other NFC teams over a 3-4 year span now. He's not supposed to apologize for that. And if he's not renewed in Dallas for whatever reason, he'll sign a long-term deal with a good team in another market in time for 2020.

He has won games, REGULAR SEASON games...………...that is the issue everybody has Idgit.

I mean, how long should a head coach get that cant advance his team in the playoffs? The closest comparison is Marvin Lewis, he was head coach of Cinci for 16 years and never advanced in the playoffs, but did make them regularly.

That is why I say he is the new Marvin Lewis, their career trajectories are very similar. Both started out as coordinators, both became head coaches, both won a lot of regular season games in order to qualify for the playoffs on a somewhat regular basis, and both have losing records in the playoffs.
 

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He has won games, REGULAR SEASON games...………...that is the issue everybody has Idgit.

I mean, how long should a head coach get that cant advance his team in the playoffs? The closest comparison is Marvin Lewis, he was head coach of Cinci for 16 years and never advanced in the playoffs, but did make them regularly.

That is why I say he is the new Marvin Lewis, their career trajectories are very similar. Both started out as coordinators, both became head coaches, both won a lot of regular season games in order to qualify for the playoffs on a somewhat regular basis, and both have losing records in the playoffs.

Head coaches don’t “advance their teams in the playoffs.” Teams advance in the playoffs. And our team has actually gotten into the second round recently.

I don’t think we’ll ever see eye to eye on this topic, dude. I see a good coach and an improving team that can’t quite get over the postseason hump due to reasons that don’t really have anything to do with coaching. And I believe this is the best team we’ve had since 2007, at least. Maybe longer.
 

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Head coaches don’t “advance their teams in the playoffs.” Teams advance in the playoffs. And our team has actually gotten into the second round recently.

I don’t think we’ll ever see eye to eye on this topic, dude. I see a good coach and an improving team that can’t quite get over the postseason hump due to reasons that don’t really have anything to do with coaching. And I believe this is the best team we’ve had since 2007, at least. Maybe longer.

I am curious to see how well this team plays against some stiffer competition, like the Saints, Packers, and Eagles. We beat those teams, then we might just be legit this year.

Good talking with you buddy, good discussion even if we dont see eye to eye.
 

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During Jason’a entire tenure as Head Coach so far:

Cowboys 10th best total offensive yards

10th in scoring

8th in winning percentage

3rd in passing completion percentage

6th in passer rating

Over the entirety of Jason Garrett’s Head Coaching career he has had a top ten offense. Keep in mind that this was during a period where they totally rebuilt the offensive line, in 2012 the line have 5 starters who never played at their position in the NFL. Keep in mind that this included two seasons in which Tony Romo was injured for almost the entirety of a season.

The perception that his offenses were typically inferior is statistically incorrect.hh
 

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You are right, I should be more appreciative of those 2 wildcard wins over the past decade, I mean that is the type of stuff that gets you into Canton.:laugh:
You can continue taking shots with certain facts which support your narrative but the truth is this is the best shape Cowboys Football has been in the 21st Century.

And Garrett has had more success in the playoffs than other more proven and experienced HC’s this era under Jerry.

It is what it is with the limits Jerry places on his “ socks to jocks” control. Amazing you don’t take shots at him.
 

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I just find it odd that every head coach in NFL history that won a SB did so before their 9th season with their team.

So you are telling me that Garrett is going to do something no other head coach in NFL history has done?

The truth of the matter, wherever you want to admit it or not, is that Garrett would have been fired for his record if it was any other team but Dallas. His leash has been longer than what anybody else in the league gets, and I think you know that. The fact that he is the longest tenured head coach in the NFL to not take his team to a SB kinda proves it.

Tom Landry didn’t win a Super Bowl until his 12th season as Cowboy Head Coach. He didn’t take the Cowboys to the Super Bowl until his 11th whereas he took them to five Super Bowls in eight years, from his 10th to his 18th season. Patience paid off big.

Bill Cower won a Super Bowl in his 14th season as the Steeler Head Coach.

Most of the coaches that won a Super Bowl under 9 seasons with the same team had been a HC on another team before being fired including Belicek, Shanahan, Vermiel, Coughlin, Carrol, Shula, and Gruden.

Still others had the system and almost the entire team already in place and was taking over a successful team like Tomlin, Siefert, McCarthy, and of course Switzer.

I often wonder how long it would have taken Jimmy Johnson had the Vikings not made that trade with him.

The point is each circumstance is different and considering that Jason has to rebuild almost the entire team from the ground up while initially being in caphell has to be taken into consideration.
 

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I just find it odd that every head coach in NFL history that won a SB did so before their 9th season with their team.

So you are telling me that Garrett is going to do something no other head coach in NFL history has done?

The truth of the matter, wherever you want to admit it or not, is that Garrett would have been fired for his record if it was any other team but Dallas. His leash has been longer than what anybody else in the league gets, and I think you know that. The fact that he is the longest tenured head coach in the NFL to not take his team to a SB kinda proves it.
I’m curious why you don’t hold Jerry and Stephen accountable for this? Why do you think Jerry wants a puppet like Garrett as HC?

I’ve asked you this on several occasions but you fail to respond.
 

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Tom Landry didn’t win a Super Bowl until his 12th season as Cowboy Head Coach. He didn’t take the Cowboys to the Super Bowl until his 11th whereas he took them to five Super Bowls in eight years, from his 10th to his 18th season. Patience paid off big.

Bill Cower won a Super Bowl in his 14th season as the Steeler Head Coach.

Most of the coaches that won a Super Bowl under 9 seasons with the same team had been a HC on another team before being fired including Belicek, Shanahan, Vermiel, Coughlin, Carrol, Shula, and Gruden.

Still others had the system and almost the entire team already in place and was taking over a successful team like Tomlin, Siefert, McCarthy, and of course Switzer.

I often wonder how long it would have taken Jimmy Johnson had the Vikings not made that trade with him.

The point is each circumstance is different and considering that Jason has to rebuild almost the entire team from the ground up while initially being in caphell has to be taken into consideration.
Landry did take the Cowboys to the NFL title game in his 7th season. To me the greatest stat is no HC has ever led another team to a Super Bowl championship. We’ve had a rare few HC’s build good teams at another venue but none take it all the way which to me means it’s more about the talent.

But these type of trolling narratives you’re responding to really serve no purpose but to spark reactions and incite responses. It’s much like the trolling on Romo. It’s typical social media BS. A great example is that they don’t attack Jerry because they know they can’t say “ never” because he’s won some Rings even though everyone knows he’s the true culprit in all of our coaching woes.

Regardless if Garrett ever wins a Super Bowl and the criticism on his coaching ability he’s help lead Cowboys Football in a better direction influencing the dysfunctional organization Jerry has created with his “ socks to jocks” control and insistence on a puppetry type coaching staff.
 
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The person you need to ask is Jerry and his boy wonder son Stephen why Garrett is here.

Once you come to grips with that reality then you can begin to arrive at a better evaluation of the situation.

Ultimately it’s Jerry whose held this franchise back. The rest is a product of his dysfunction.

Everyone knows why Garrett is here. He is Jerry's ultimate puppet. And Jerry has to be proven right by keeping him here.

I am also quite aware that Garrett is going to get a new contract and be here for a long time.

Regardless, his abilities as OC, gameday manager, and HC have much to be desired. As the entire NFL landscape and fan base is quite aware.

There was a recent article about how Garrett is "The weakest link" on the Cowboys. Garrett and his lack of abilities are well known.

However, although its taken Jerry 10 years to get it right, I finally think he has Garrett doing what Garrett does best and ONLY doing that. And he had him far away from the offense where he belongs and someone running it that is quality.

We now have a shot and are a true contender.
 

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I’m curious why you don’t hold Jerry and Stephen accountable for this? Why do you think Jerry wants a puppet like Garrett as HC?

I’ve asked you this on several occasions but you fail to respond.

I definitely hold Jerry responsible. No doubt. Ultimately he is to blame for Garrett. No question.

But when fans come out starting thread and hailing Garrett as great, that's when the rest of the fan base comes out and down him.

Do you see any thread calling Jerry great? I don't.

I still have no figured out Stephens part in Garrett. Stephen said something a few months ago in reference to Garrett and it made me think he was NOT on board.

I believe they asked him what it would take for Garrett to get a new contract, or something along those lines. And he basically brushed it off with no compliment to Garrett by saying "You would have to ask Jerry about that".
 

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Landry did take the Cowboys to the NFL title game in his 7th season. To me the greatest stat is no HC has ever led another team to a Super Bowl championship. We’ve had a rare few HC’s build good teams at another venue but none take it all the way which to me means it’s more about the talent.

But these type of trolling narratives you’re responding to really serve no purpose but to spark reactions and incite responses. It’s much like the trolling on Romo. It’s typical social media BS. A great example is that they don’t attack Jerry because they know they can’t say “ never” because he’s won some Rings even though everyone knows he’s the true culprit in all of our coaching woes.

Regardless if Garrett ever wins a Super Bowl and the criticism on his coaching ability he’s help lead Cowboys Football in a better direction influencing the dysfunctional organization Jerry has created with his “ socks to jocks” control and insistence on a puppetry type coaching staff.

True. Landry took them to championship games often, although we are talking about a 15 team league in 1966 in which the NFL championship was the only playoff game. The following season there were two rounds.

I agree it takes great players to win but it takes a certain type of great player. I think it takes the kind of great players that help make the other great players on the team even greater. They feed into each other’s success. The best example is the Cowboy triplets in the 90’s and the best example of the opposite would be the current Steeler situation. Nobody doubts that Bell and Brown are great players but the chemistry wasn’t there to combine their skills and succeed in winning championships.

And who is most responsible for creating the culture that allows great players to come together and form a cohesive, efficient team? I would say the Head Coach.

I also agree that the Cowboys organization has been very dysfunctional and that is the main reason for the slow progression of the team. I characterized it as two steps forward and one step backward.

We have an owner that decided he should be the GM rather than consider one that earned the opportunity with impressive credentials. He then decided that it would serve Cowboy fans best if he limited his search for executives to progeny exclusively.
 

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I am a devoted and passionate Cowboys fan. Garrett has held this team back for a long time. Even Jerry said a few years ago how we have all suffered with Garrett's learning on the job mistakes.

He has also bumbled the offense far too long. Jerry FINALLY got smart and got someone in here to handle the offense over Garrett. The results are early, but they are amazing and also damning of Garrett.

Its actually comical. Both you and IDGIT and JoeKing are his 3 biggest defenders on here. ONly defenders on here. And when pressed, all 3 of you say that the guy is pretty much average as a HC.

Why is even average good enough for our team? Going from Garrett to Linehan to Moore has made all the difference.
yes, Jerry, JERRY made the decision at the time to bring on Garrett....that was JERRY's choice. he could have gone with other coaches JERRY didn't. for him to complain is stupid and senseless and I call it Jerry talk...

I don't agree that he has bumbled the offense, where he had produced consistent top 10 offenses.

I am not ready to say Jerry got smart. in fact there were talks that Garrett wanted to replace Linehan in 2018 and he was over-ruled.


which brings up the point. Jerry interferes with all his coaches. the lines of communication and organization is very fluid and bad and it creates chaos and confusion at time. I give garrett credit for having influenced Jerry and put up with him for so long. Jimmy Johnson couldn't. parcells couldn't. and Jerry rode roughshot over all his other coaches....remember campo? Jerry was drafting and coaching and it was a disaster.
 

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I definitely hold Jerry responsible. No doubt. Ultimately he is to blame for Garrett. No question.

But when fans come out starting thread and hailing Garrett as great, that's when the rest of the fan base comes out and down him.

Do you see any thread calling Jerry great? I don't.

I still have no figured out Stephens part in Garrett. Stephen said something a few months ago in reference to Garrett and it made me think he was NOT on board.

I believe they asked him what it would take for Garrett to get a new contract, or something along those lines. And he basically brushed it off with no compliment to Garrett by saying "You would have to ask Jerry about that".
Who’s calling Garrett a great HC?
 

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Jerry says some things for posturing and will exaggerate for sales purposes. It was a strong message to Garrett and obvious. The only other benefit would be to let people know AGAIN who is really in charge in Dallas.

Why exactly are you trying to brush that statement off? Did it seem to you like he was BSing?
jerry does jerry speak. it wasn't a message to garrett, it was a message for the FANS like youself who were sick of Linehan....and if your read in the article, Garrett was fully supportive and wanted this to happen. I bet behind closed doors, Jerry had concerns.....he didn't know moore as well as other coaches and players that work with him one on one all the time....but again,jerry does jerry speak.

and the problem with dallas is Jerry. he is the one constant over the past 20+ years....blame garrett, but every coach has failed working with jerry except for Jimmy and he couldn't take it anymore.
 

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Everyone knows why Garrett is here. He is Jerry's ultimate puppet. And Jerry has to be proven right by keeping him here.

I am also quite aware that Garrett is going to get a new contract and be here for a long time.

Regardless, his abilities as OC, gameday manager, and HC have much to be desired. As the entire NFL landscape and fan base is quite aware.

There was a recent article about how Garrett is "The weakest link" on the Cowboys. Garrett and his lack of abilities are well known.

However, although its taken Jerry 10 years to get it right, I finally think he has Garrett doing what Garrett does best and ONLY doing that. And he had him far away from the offense where he belongs and someone running it that is quality.

We now have a shot and are a true contender.
Garrett’s assets go beyond Game Day. Ive never called him a great coach. Only a great puppet.

His record speaks for itself. He’s not as bad as some want to portray. Average to slightly above average.

But it’s his influence with Jerry and the culture we’ve built here which I’d give him props too.
 

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Garrett has struggled in a weak NFC East. And if you think his coaching is the reason for recent successes- think again.
Scott Linehan saved his job, and now Moore is carrying the offense.
But if Garrett begins to meddle with the offense it will collapse again. And even now the Cowboys lack direction from the head coaching position, and it will catch up to them.
 

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jerry does jerry speak. it wasn't a message to garrett, it was a message for the FANS like youself who were sick of Linehan....and if your read in the article, Garrett was fully supportive and wanted this to happen. I bet behind closed doors, Jerry had concerns.....he didn't know moore as well as other coaches and players that work with him one on one all the time....but again,jerry does jerry speak.

and the problem with dallas is Jerry. he is the one constant over the past 20+ years....blame garrett, but every coach has failed working with jerry except for Jimmy and he couldn't take it anymore.
Yea, it all starts with Jerry. And I give him credit for finding a puppet who can coexist into building a better culture.

It might not produce championships but it’s probably about as much as we can hope for within our dysfunctional ownership.
 

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Garrett has struggled in a weak NFC East. And if you think his coaching is the reason for recent successes- think again.
Scott Linehan saved his job, and now Moore is carrying the offense.
But if Garrett begins to meddle with the offense it will collapse again. And even now the Cowboys lack direction from the head coaching position, and it will catch up to them.
Unfortunately coaching and HC isn’t a strength Jerry “ socks to jocks” ownership style will allow or probably even attract.

Our best bet is unknown quantities becoming a hit.
 
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