Recap: Cowboys Defensive Linemen Drafted since 2010

GhostOfPelluer

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I mean is that where we've come at this point? Argue that maybe DL play isn't that important as a way to defend Marinelli?
I'm just pointing out that the philosophy is organizational - and Marinelli is only part of the equation.
 

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The Pats have always taken an inside-out strategy which is stout up middle (nt, ilb, safety) forcing the ball to go laterally. JJ on the other hand loves outside rushers. The real stat you need to look at is the takeaways. Pats were studs in that area while we were awful.

I always like the strategy they applie on D. That is why the rams could not run on them but are still running on us as we speak.
 

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I mean is that where we've come at this point? Argue that maybe DL play isn't that important as a way to defend Marinelli?
I just saw someone claim we overdrafted Taco, and that is not true. I hate when people bend the facts to fit their agenda.
 

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The Pats have always taken an inside-out strategy which is stout up middle (nt, ilb, safety) forcing the ball to go laterally. JJ on the other hand loves outside rushers. The real stat you need to look at is the takeaways. Pats were studs in that area while we were awful.

Pats were also Top 10 in pressure rate last year despite being near the bottom in sacks.
 

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The Pats have always taken an inside-out strategy which is stout up middle (nt, ilb, safety) forcing the ball to go laterally. JJ on the other hand loves outside rushers. The real stat you need to look at is the takeaways. Pats were studs in that area while we were awful.
Nicely done.
 

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On game day I am loving our guys through my beer goggles. But last year we were soft especially in the playoffs and I haven't seen anything to make me think otherwise.
We weren't soft against Seattle. Yes, the Rams outclassed us.
 

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Pats were also Top 10 in pressure rate last year despite being near the bottom in sacks.

Pressure is just as important. Sacks are nice due to the lost yardage but I'd rather have consistent pressure. Good point.
 

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What do taking LBs and CBs have to do with how the team has approached building a DL, specifically DT? That's the issue here - the defensive line and specifically DT. Marinelli has been here since 2013. 6 years later, we still have a DL that has some questions, can't rush the passer at a high level, and continues to throw limited assets at the DT position.

And Woods actually fits precisely into what this team's philosophy seems to be - don't use a lot of premium assets on DT or S. Woods was a 6th round pick that they hit on. That fits precisely in with the organizational philosophy of using limited assets on the S position. I mean our safety depth chart is nothing but late round draft picks, UDFAs, garbage bin retreads.
Lol they didn't "hit" on woods. He's a jag at best lol.
 

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Y'all ain't haters, just as I ain't a blind homer. Debate is good and healthy, but making things personal never makes a point.

I agree on that. I never try to throw around those labels unless the other guy goes there first. Then I will admit to giving as good as I get.
:laugh:

In my view, Taco was a fail, but not colossal. Now if we had made that trade to move up for Lynch, that would have been colossal and would have set back the organization for years. The Taco miss hasn't set us back much except for the compensation we gave up for Quinn.

I think you're going far too easy on them.

If they had taken Watt:
  1. You're not wasting snaps with Crawford masquerading as a RDE
  2. You're not worrying about if and when Gregory comes back from his latest suspension
  3. You're not giving up future draft capital and what? $9 million? And hoping Robert Quinn, suspended and injured, is your latest hope
This move did and has set this organization back for years, at least two and counting.
 

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We weren't soft against Seattle. Yes, the Rams outclassed us.

Agreed. The Rams used our aggressiveness against us. But we are soft in terms of the type of DL we field. They are not stout powerful guys like Fletcher Cox or Vince Woolfolk types. They are high motor guys that if they have to reverse field against a block they're done for. In that regard I would call them soft.
 

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I'm just pointing out that the philosophy is organizational - and Marinelli is only part of the equation.

But Marinelli has had a heavy influence on the organizational philosophy.

It all really started back with the Frederick draft. The scouts and even Jerry were on board with taking Shariff Floyd. Marinelli wanted no part of him and Jerry went against his scouts and other coaches and went with Marinelli (and in fairness, at that time, Marinelli was right). It was reported at the time that with the switch back to a 4-3, Jerry put a lot of faith in Marinelli and his beliefs on what kind of DL they needed. And that has constantly shown up over time, including last year when it was reported Marinelli was a big influence on why we went Hill in the 2nd when apparently there were higher rated players still on our board.
 

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One the reasons Rod was brought in was his ability to coach up mid-talent DL.
That is a mentality I have not quite understood.

So the idea is to continue to acquire mediocre talent so he can "coach them up"? Why not just get better players who have proven they can play?
 

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That's how you read the post?

Seems to me what needs to come from that data and when you look at the FAs we've tried, the Cowboys philosophy of trying to build a DL, and more specifically DT, through lower picks and bargain bin FAs doesn't work.
That's what I was thinking.
 

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I mean is that where we've come at this point? Argue that maybe DL play isn't that important as a way to defend Marinelli?

If we had Levon Kirkland linebackers then we could argue that DL isn't as important. But Jaylon and LVE are not that type of linebacker. They are pursuit guys with athleticism and speed and need space to operate. So I agree that DL play is critical. Marinelli's system doesn't provide that and he deserves to be evaluated or criticized like any other coach.
 
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