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You said successful organizations don't make blunder this big in the first place. Please tell me how I didn't correct you? Are the Patriots (2206-2014) not successful or were Chad Jackson and/or Dominique Easley not as big of a blunder as Taco Charlton? It's one or the other? Unless you're wrong.

My distinction is that the Patriots are clearly successful. They've won numerous Super Bowls. They get that benefit of the doubt. But the guy who I was responding to was trying to give the Cowboys that same label, and that was not deserved.


Because it's irrelevant to the topic, thus why I keep saying you're building strawmen. Cowboys mest up...big. People should be help accountable. Marenelli, Garrett, whoever. But it's simply not true to say successful organizations don't make as big of a mistake as this.

My point was in giving the Cowboys an unearned benefit of the doubt as a "successful organization".
 

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No it isn't. 'Good management' doesn't make such an epic screwup in the first place. They don't get 'credit' for this bust.



Overruling the guys you paid to do your scouting for the opinion of a fossil coach IS "poor management".

Then you look at the overall success rate of late first rounders and realize tams make these "epic mistakes" all the time.

An 83% hit rate is outstanding.
 

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As I've said to numerous other people who have tried this excuse. I never blew the majority of the company's yearly budget, no.

So compare apples to apples here.
But you are not comparing apples to apples. To continue to use your stretch of an example, it would have to be "busting on Taco Charlton makes all of your draft picks bust, thus blowing the entire draft." Which of course is not true.
 

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Or go back to 2016 when the Pats let go of Easley two years after they picked him 29th overall.

Other than being a totally different set of circumstances , you might have had something.

But it's fun to watch you fumble around and grasp at straws in your desperation. Dance monkey, dance.
 

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Then you look at the overall success rate of late first rounders and realize tams make these "epic mistakes" all the time.

An 83% hit rate is outstanding.

Whatever gets you through the night.

Some fans feel the overriding compulsion to try to come up with any excuses that they can.
 

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They do need to review their evaluation process for evaluating D-linemen.

If that means listening less to Marinelli or whatever, but it is something that needs to be examined.
Yes. Tweeks need to and should be made. But it would be an drastic overreaction to overhaul everything because of the Taco pick.
 

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But you are not comparing apples to apples. To continue to use your stretch of an example, it would have to be "busting on Taco Charlton makes all of your draft picks bust, thus blowing the entire draft." Which of course is not true.

Take note of the use of "yearly budget" until it clicks for you.
 

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Yes. Tweeks need to and should be made. But it would be an drastic overreaction to overhaul everything because of the Taco pick.

Marinelli needs to be put out to pasture. And Taco's name etched in his career tombstone.

And when it happens at the end of the season, none of you trying to defend him now will have a thing to say.

Just like all of the people who felt compelled to defend Scott Linehan don't have a word to say now.

Lather, rinse, repeat.
 

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Marinelli needs to be put out to pasture. And Taco's name etched in his career tombstone.

And when it happens at the end of the season, none of you trying to defend him now will have a thing to say.

Just like all of the people who felt compelled to defend Scott Linehan don't have a word to say now.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

Can you point out one person in this thread that is defending Taco or Marinelli?
 

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Using the word "majority" to soften your ridiculous point, you'd still be wrong.

Seriously? You don't consider the 1st round pick to be the most valuable part of the draft?

The lies fans will tell themselves...

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My distinction is that the Patriots are clearly successful. They've won numerous Super Bowls. They get that benefit of the doubt. But the guy who I was responding to was trying to give the Cowboys that same label, and that was not deserved.

My point was in giving the Cowboys an unearned benefit of the doubt as a "successful organization".

Yes, the Patriots are clearly successful, while I would say the Cowboys have had *some* success over the past few seasons. And yes, they don't get the same benefit of the doubt the Patriots get.

However you're statement didn't say that. Successful organizations do make similar mistakes, but probably do other things better to mitigate those mistakes.
 

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Can you point out one person in this thread that is defending Taco or Marinelli?

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This guy is
 

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Can you point out one person in this thread that is defending Taco or Marinelli?

You and every other one of the Super Fans trying to make excuses for this. Every one of you here trying something, anything you can to minimize it.
 

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Yes, the Patriots are clearly successful, while I would say the Cowboys have had *some* success over the past few seasons. And yes, they don't get the same benefit of the doubt the Patriots get.

However you're statement didn't say that. Successful organizations do make similar mistakes, but probably do other things better to mitigate those mistakes.

I apologize for my choice of words if that didn't come across. That was the intent.
 

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Whatever gets you through the night.

Some fans feel the overriding compulsion to try to come up with any excuses that they can.

More like some fans insist on the paradigm of fault and blame.

Teams bust on first round picks much more often than we do. It is what it is.

Busting on Taco is not why we haven't won the Superbowl and we don't have the worst rde in the NFL so just stop.
 

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Seriously? You don't consider the 1st round pick to be the most valuable part of the draft?

The lies fans will tell themselves...

:facepalm:

Majority =/= Most Valuable

Case in point, would you rather have the 28th pick in the draft or the 60th, 92nd, 113th, 191st, 216th, 228th, 239th and 246th?
 

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More like some fans insist on the paradigm of fault and blame.

It's called accountability. Look into it.

Teams bust on first round picks much more often than we do. It is what it is.

No, it isn't. This team hasn't busted on a pick like this in 37 years.

Busting on Taco is not why we haven't won the Superbowl and we don't have the worst rde in the NFL so just stop.

You "stop". Trying to make more lame excuses.
 

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You and every other one of the Super Fans trying to make excuses for this. Every one of you here trying something, anything you can to minimize it.
Ahh....keep changing words to not try to sound terrible. Who is making excuses for Marinelli? What was the excuse presented?
 

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Yes. Tweeks need to and should be made. But it would be an drastic overreaction to overhaul everything because of the Taco pick.
Of course not. But this has to be looked at. There has to be a reason they nail practically every pick on the offensive line and have such tepid results with the DL.

There are six DL (well seven if you count Gregory) drafted since 2014 that aren't even in the league anymore.

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