Dak is the best qb in the NFL right now

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actually DEE Ford lost that game.. bad memory...Mahomes was playing a close AFCCG game against the SB champions and nearly won it in his FIRST YEAR of starting.. NEXT..Wait MVP

Wait 5k and 50...

NEXT

yup mic drop wow cherry pick one play that did not lose the game, fgs are missed, id rather have guy trying to get 6 then settle

Next..
I think Patrick Mahomes played scared the entire day. Other than a few Hail Marys including the ones he missed. I'm curious I can't find it. How many 10 plus play drives has he taken his team on personally I can't stand the kid I think he's a cocky little b**** at needs to be slapped. He's already making those funny faces throwing his receivers under the bus
 

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actually DEE Ford lost that game.. bad memory...Mahomes was playing a close AFCCG game against the SB champions and nearly won it in his FIRST YEAR of starting.. NEXT..Wait MVP

Wait 5k and 50...

NEXT

yup mic drop wow cherry pick one play that did not lose the game, fgs are missed, id rather have guy trying to get 6 then settle

Next..
You can drop the mic all you want. Does it mean that you accomplished anything by it no
 

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dak is playing really well to start the season he has worked hard in the off season but Kellen moore and john kitna have a lot to do with it also coaching makes a huge difference in the nfl its just two games though but I like what I am seeing so far
 

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dak is playing really well to start the season he has worked hard in the off season but Kellen moore and john kitna have a lot to do with it also coaching makes a huge difference in the nfl its just two games though but I like what I am seeing so far
Just imagine if you had them at the beginning of his career. He only had Sanchez. And Lanahan
 

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I never said Dak was better than Mahomes, perhaps you should take your own advice and pay attention. Next, if you think Mahomes hasn't been blessed with an abundance of talent than no need to continue this conversation.

And yes anybody that says Dak is average or terrible is stupid, what you going to do about it.

the thread is about Dak being the best. So the default position is better than Mahomes (and everyone else) which is what I objected to, and what you responded to. So paying attention might be better suited for you. You don’t have to explicitly say something for the point to come through, and when you join an argument about whether Dak is better than Mahomes and support it by building a case for Dak and against Mahomes there’d a logical end point. Are you with me?

As far as calling Dak avg, I haven’t done that and yet your “stupid” comment was in a response to me, and didn’t mention anything about average or terrible, it mentioned “propping up a qb with more weapons”. My position is that Mahomes doesn’t need propping up as his body of work with a revolving cast speaks for itself.

As for what am I going to do about it? Don’t confuse my friendly advice with tough guy talk. It was merely pointing out that calling others stupid when you can’t form a coherent argument, follow simple points, or successfully make your own you run the risk of looking foolish yourself. What I’m going to do about it is point it out and laugh.
 

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Does Mahomes have the best oline in football blocking for him? Has Mahome’s RB led the league in rushing recently?
I want to see the guy going sustain drives not just throw up 40-yard bombs and let world class speed run under it. That's what I want to see
 

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You can drop the mic all you want. Does it mean that you accomplished anything by it no
hes clearly better then Dak..

CLEARLY!

why cant we enjoy the 2-0 start with Dak playing much improved and great football THROUGH TWO GAMES without FORCING Dak into a narrative as the BEST ELITE and all the other truly silly talk?

No Dak is not better an most likely will never be.. but why does he have to be?

its out of control all these threads on Daks the best moved into top 5 or elite status..

Not in the eyes of clear thinking football people including national media, coaches and players.. you won t find many at all that thinks that let alone one that would take Dak over Mahomes..

just because Daks playing great at the moment does not move him up that far in the actual rankings.. sure through 2 games against bad teams hes put up some of the best numbers this season.. AFTER TWO GAMES AGAINST BAD TEAMS..

lets revisit in February.. then we can Rank this years players, all of them and see where dak ends up..I like Dak wish him success and hope he does crack the top 5 someday and not because Luck retired, Cams hurt, Ben is out, Brees gone most of the year, and QBs dropping like flies on a hot summer day..Relity check hes not there yet like ive sad a dozen times this week, he has improved looks great, thats great hes moved from not even making footballs top 100 last season and ranking like 12-16 in non homer fan ranking to cracking the top 10.. hes on the come up and thats great for me im Cowboys fan but im not letting that cloud my judgment..

Back to serious threads..
 

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the thread is about Dak being the best. So the default position is better than Mahomes (and everyone else) which is what I objected to, and what you responded to. So paying attention might be better suited for you. You don’t have to explicitly say something for the point to come through, and when you join an argument about whether Dak is better than Mahomes and support it by building a case for Dak and against Mahomes there’d a logical end point. Are you with me?

As far as calling Dak avg, I haven’t done that and yet your “stupid” comment was in a response to me, and didn’t mention anything about average or terrible, it mentioned “propping up a qb with more weapons”. My position is that Mahomes doesn’t need propping up as his body of work with a revolving cast speaks for itself.

As for what am I going to do about it? Don’t confuse my friendly advice with tough guy talk. It was merely pointing out that calling others stupid when you can’t form a coherent argument, follow simple points, or successfully make your own you run the risk of looking foolish yourself. What I’m going to do about it is point it out and laugh.
I'm trying to find out how many sustain drives has Patrick Mahomes taken his team on. All I can find out is throws the ball up and lets the world-class speed go get it. Mister Hail Mary like Aaron Rodgers
hes clearly better then Dak..

CLEARLY!

why cant we enjoy the 2-0 start with Dak playing much improved and great football THROUGH TWO GAMES without FORCING Dak into a narrative as the BEST ELITE and all the other truly silly talk?

No Dak is not better an most likely will never be.. but why does he have to be?

its out of control all these threads on Daks the best moved into top 5 or elite status..

Not in the eyes of clear thinking football people including national media, coaches and players.. you won t find many at all that thinks that let alone one that would take Dak over Mahomes..

just because Daks playing great at the moment does not move him up that far in the actual rankings.. sure through 2 games against bad teams hes put up some of the best numbers this season.. AFTER TWO GAMES AGAINST BAD TEAMS..

lets revisit in February.. then we can Rank this years players, all of them and see where dak ends up..I like Dak wish him success and hope he does crack the top 5 someday and not because Luck retired, Cams hurt, Ben is out, Brees gone most of the year, and QBs dropping like flies on a hot summer day..Relity check hes not there yet like ive sad a dozen times this week, he has improved looks great, thats great hes moved from not even making footballs top 100 last season and ranking like 12-16 in non homer fan ranking to cracking the top 10.. hes on the come up and thats great for me im Cowboys fan but im not letting that cloud my judgment..

Back to serious threads..
I don't care if he's better than Prescott or not I don't like the kid. And that's my point. I'll take Prescott any day of the week over him. And this has nothing to do with the way you started this season. I knew what he was capable of. It was Linehan that held him back. It wasn't what he could do is what they made him do. If he had Kellen Moore from the beginning everybody would be talking about him instead of Mahomes especially the character
 

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I think Patrick Mahomes played scared the entire day. Other than a few Hail Marys including the ones he missed. I'm curious I can't find it. How many 10 plus play drives has he taken his team on personally I can't stand the kid I think he's a cocky little b**** at needs to be slapped. He's already making those funny faces throwing his receivers under the bus
How many MVPs has Dak won? how many 5k seasons does dak have in him? 50Tds? how many Championship games have Dak won , all in his first season? too late Daks forst season is long gone and Mahomes is better.. get serious..

Daks playing great , he is not and most likely never be Mahomes.. why is that so hard to swallow? WAKE UP take off the homer goggles..
 

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How many MVPs has Dak won? how many 5k seasons does dak have in him? 50Tds? how many Championship games have Dak won , all in his first season? too late Daks forst season is long gone and Mahomes is better.. get serious..

Daks playing great , he is not and most likely never be Mahomes.. why is that so hard to swallow? WAKE UP take off the homer goggles..
You're making this a comparison between the two quarterbacks. I'm just saying I don't like Patrick Mahomes. I think he's another Cry-Baby Aaron Rodgers type football player.
 

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How many MVPs has Dak won? how many 5k seasons does dak have in him? 50Tds? how many Championship games have Dak won , all in his first season? too late Daks forst season is long gone and Mahomes is better.. get serious..

Daks playing great , he is not and most likely never be Mahomes.. why is that so hard to swallow? WAKE UP take off the homer goggles..
 

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The Patriots destroyed Patrick Mahomes they made him look like he really is a kid Running Scared for his life. I loved it. Take the MVP and stick it up his butt. Lot of good it did him. And they beat him twice. Not just once
 

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I think Patrick Mahomes played scared the entire day. Other than a few Hail Marys including the ones he missed. I'm curious I can't find it. How many 10 plus play drives has he taken his team on personally I can't stand the kid I think he's a cocky little b**** at needs to be slapped. He's already making those funny faces throwing his receivers under the bus

You're being sarcastic, right? Please tell me you're being sarcastic.
 

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I'm trying to find out how many sustain drives has Patrick Mahomes taken his team on. All I can find out is throws the ball up and lets the world-class speed go get it. Mister Hail Mary like Aaron Rodgers

I don't care if he's better than Prescott or not I don't like the kid. And that's my point. I'll take Prescott any day of the week over him. And this has nothing to do with the way you started this season. I knew what he was capable of. It was Linehan that held him back. It wasn't what he could do is what they made him do. If he had Kellen Moore from the beginning everybody would be talking about him instead of Mahomes especially the character


just curious. do you watch the games? because your assertions and research lead me to believe you don't/haven't. Chiefs have become appointment tv for me after the boys, and no... he doesn't just launch hail mary's, he just happens to have a powerful arm, speedy receivers, and he stresses the defense enough all over the field that they get caught with their pants down a decent amount.
 

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You're making this a comparison between the two quarterbacks. I'm just saying I don't like Patrick Mahomes. I think he's another Cry-Baby Aaron Rodgers type football player.

again, can you provide any examples of this? because i haven't gotten that impression at all. I'm all for irrationally hating other players, it's a pleasure of mine, but mahomes genuinely comes across as extremely likeable, down to earth and relatively humble. I'm curious as to what you've seen to suggest otherwise
 

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hes clearly better then Dak..

CLEARLY!

why cant we enjoy the 2-0 start with Dak playing much improved and great football THROUGH TWO GAMES without FORCING Dak into a narrative as the BEST ELITE and all the other truly silly talk?

No Dak is not better an most likely will never be.. but why does he have to be?

its out of control all these threads on Daks the best moved into top 5 or elite status..

Not in the eyes of clear thinking football people including national media, coaches and players.. you won t find many at all that thinks that let alone one that would take Dak over Mahomes..

just because Daks playing great at the moment does not move him up that far in the actual rankings.. sure through 2 games against bad teams hes put up some of the best numbers this season.. AFTER TWO GAMES AGAINST BAD TEAMS..

lets revisit in February.. then we can Rank this years players, all of them and see where dak ends up..I like Dak wish him success and hope he does crack the top 5 someday and not because Luck retired, Cams hurt, Ben is out, Brees gone most of the year, and QBs dropping like flies on a hot summer day..Relity check hes not there yet like ive sad a dozen times this week, he has improved looks great, thats great hes moved from not even making footballs top 100 last season and ranking like 12-16 in non homer fan ranking to cracking the top 10.. hes on the come up and thats great for me im Cowboys fan but im not letting that cloud my judgment..

Back to serious threads..

that's basically what it boils down to. we can't just be happy, we can't just say he looks great, we can't even qualify hyperbolic statements with 'playing like', or 'looks to be' etc.

it's he's the best! and if you don't agree then you're a hater. you know who's also 'not the best' throughout history? second best, or one of the best. it's not always a slight to point out someone or something isn't the absolute pinnacle.
 

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Something I have not seen talked about.
78.1 and 86.7 pass completion % in 1st 2 games avg is 82.4%

This is highest in NFL I think.
I checked a few like rodgers and brees ryan, and brady.
Tom had a 71 % in miami game.
Most avg in 60's or lower.
82% Pass completion ? is very unusual.
7 td's 1 int
QBR IS 140.9 AVG for 2 games.

People have said he cant carry the team, but he has for the last 2
games
, due to kellen and better group of receivers.
here are the only others that come close.
Lamar Jackson 85.0 and 158.3 vs Miami-- 64.9 104.8 vs Arizona 7td avg 74.9 % 131.55 qbr
I left these out lol

Mahomes II 68.2 131.2 vs raiders-- 75.8 143.2 vs Jags - 72% 137.2 qbr 7td

Brady 71.4 124.7 vs Miami-- 66.7 124.9 vs Steelers - 69.05 % 124.8 qbr 5td's

Just a side note,

8 teams at 0-2 Miami needs to out lose the other 7 teams
9 are 2-0 5 in NFC Dallas should go 3-0 then maybe 4-0 will they be the last unbeaten team? only 4 others
besides Dallas in NFC. 3 are in the west Div, sea SF and rams, so they have to play each other so they
will have to lose soon.

About Miami I read a little on it, and they have very good reason to tank and finish last,
They traded away 2 of their best players for # 1 picks, they now have 3, and 2 in rd 2 , and 2 in rd 3.
It would be stupid to then go 8-8 and have middle of round picks, so best thing is to finish last
and then it is up to how wisely they use those picks.
The other thing is how to you get players to tank , or play badly?? some wont want to, it would be bad for their resume, and some wont like the idea. So it isnt easy to finish dead last.

Mahomes II 68.2 131.2 vs raiders-- 75.8 143.2 vs Jags - avg 72% 137.2 qbr 7td

Brady 71.4 124.7 vs Miami-- 66.7 124.9 vs Steelers - avg 69.05 % 124.8 qbr 5td's
(Rodgers doesnt even come close.)

So seems to me Dak is the best QB in NFL right now 2 games in to this season.
You do not know what carries a team means do you?
 

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The Patriots destroyed Patrick Mahomes they made him look like he really is a kid Running Scared for his life. I loved it. Take the MVP and stick it up his butt. Lot of good it did him. And they beat him twice. Not just once

Mahomes threw for 7 TDs and 2 interceptions in those two games vs the Patriots. He didn't exactly suck.

Extroplate that out to a 16 game season and it's 56 TDs (an NFL record) and 16 INTs
 

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He makes these weird face gestures like it wasn't my fault. You have to watch him. The worst one for doing it is Aaron Rodgers. I've never seen Prescott do it or Tony Romo. Or Eli Manning for that fact I've seen Roethlisberger do it a few times. They listen to the critics of how great they are he goes to their head
It might go to their head but they are great. The ones I have problems with are QB's like Mayfield that talk trash and don't even back it up.
 
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