Twitter: Stephen: Rod and Taco didn't see eye to eye

John813 · Sep 19, 2019

stasheroo said:
Is being "liked" more important than being "good at your job"?

Nah. I'm in the same boat of finding new blood for Rod's role on this team.

Just saying just never heard before of Rod and some underachieving DL-man not being able to mesh lol.
I mean, seeing what standards Rod has wanted in the past, the fact those two couldn't see eye to eye is something.

xwalker · Sep 19, 2019

ColoCowboy said:
And, none of Taco's attitude manifested itself in any of the interviews or vetting process that you would expect for a first round pick. Yes, I know there are mis-fires, but this still seems a bit odd.

People are on their best behavior for interviews.

Many people are great for a period of time after they're hired but certain people will always morph into their natural ways unless their bosses can somehow steer them in another direction.

Think about coming out of college from having no money into getting paid over a million per year.

I've seen guys just out of high school get a job for a little over minimum wage and they suddenly thought they were king of the world.

There were some questions marks in scouting reports about Taco's maturity but no true red flags.

The Cowboys likely waited too long to really discipline him. He should have bee inactive the very first time the coaches were not satisfied with his attitude/work-ethic.

Doing some google searches, there were harsh comments from Marinelli back in 2017 in the OTAs/training-camp time frame with regards to Taco with Marinelli saying "It's not good enough" when asked about Taco's progress. That seems more harsh than the normally silly antidotes that we hear from Marinelli when asked those types of questions.

Stash · Sep 19, 2019

John813 said:
Nah. I'm in the same boat of finding new blood for Rod's role on this team.

Just saying just never heard before of Rod and some underachieving DL-man not being able to mesh lol.
I mean, seeing what standards Rod has wanted in the past, the fact those two couldn't see eye to eye is something.

You don't have to be good, just keep your mouth shut and do as you're told and you'll be "Golden" with Rod.

gimmesix · Sep 19, 2019

stasheroo said:
Gregory is still suspended. Can't count on him this year, much less next. I see a lot of assumptions on that list.

Of course there are a lot of assumptions. It's all we have right now. Hopefully, the picture becomes clearer as the season progresses.

Our hope for this year was that Quinn and Lawrence would be more than enough at end and that Hill would develop quickly at 3-tech. Woods is a sold 1-tech even though some seem to have it out for him because they look at stats instead of what the player is asked to do.

I never expected more from Collins than he's given us so far. And I didn't expect Covington or Armstrong to be more than good rotational players (although Covington was solid at 1-tech against Washington when Woods went out). I was hopeful that Charlton would get it turned around this year and had higher expectations for Hyder than I should have.

It will be interesting to see where this line stands about midway through the season. It may turn out that Lawrence and Quinn remain our only hopes for a pass rush or one of those younger players/new players steps up.

xwalker · Sep 19, 2019

jazzcat22 said:
I was just thinking, maybe Rod was the one that needed to go and not Taco. Rod should have been gone a few years ago actually.
I know the D improved each year under him, but it has been underwhelming at the same time.

Significant player discipline issues are the responsibility of the Head Coach. The assistants deal with the daily issues but if there is an on-going issue, it's the Head Coach that has to lay down the law. Jimmy and Parcells were delighted to ream out players but Garrett likes to spend time talking up Jerry and Charlotte Jones...

Hennessy_King · Sep 19, 2019

stasheroo said:
You don't have to be good, just keep your mouth shut and do as you're told and you'll be "Golden" with Rod.

Lol this sounds like 18th century talking about the S word you don't like.

ABQCOWBOY · Sep 19, 2019

xwalker said:
People are on their best behavior for interviews.

Many people are great for a period of time after they're hired but certain people will always morph into their natural ways unless their bosses can somehow steer them in another direction.

Think about coming out of college from having no money into getting paid over a million per year.

I've seen guys just out of high school get a job for a little over minimum wage and they suddenly thought they were king of the world.

There were some questions marks in scouting reports about Taco's maturity but no true red flags.

The Cowboys likely waited too long to really discipline him. He should have bee inactive the very first time the coaches were not satisfied with his attitude/work-ethic.

Doing some google searches, there were harsh comments from Marinelli back in 2017 in the OTAs/training-camp time frame with regards to Taco with Marinelli saying "It's not good enough" when asked about Taco's progress. That seems more harsh than the normally silly antidotes that we hear from Marinelli when asked those types of questions.

I don't think it's Marinelli here. I mean, you know what he wants. He wants maximum effort on every play and he want's his front 7 to play smart, read keys. That's exactly what Taco has never been. He has the talent but the book on him was that he didn't play every down, coming out of Michigan. Bad fit all the way around IMO.

xwalker · Sep 19, 2019

JoeyBoy718 said:
Didn't Rod want him? When there were better players available. But they didn't fit his scheme.

That is the story that Broaddus was telling for a long time until Will McClay told Broaddus that the story was not really accurate.

cern · Sep 19, 2019

Sydla said:
This is hardly surprising.

I'll ask the question that will piss some people off.

While I have little doubt Taco probably has his issues, is Marinelli too inflexible to maybe give an inch or two here or there to try to get a kid with some decent skills on the field and get him productive?

There is enough about Taco where this is probably mostly him, but I wonder if we have reached that point with Marinelli after 6 years that it might be time for a new voice and fresh ideas for the DL.

I side with Marinelli, even though I don't consider him a particularly good coach. that's based on his outdated schemes and insistence on rushing with 4 men with few blitzes thrown in. I much prefer Kris Richard. but a player shouldn't be allowed to disrespect his coach, especially when others aren't doing it. taco showed extreme immaturity. but I don't hear lawrence, Crawford, Collins or woods complaining.

Stash · Sep 19, 2019

gimmesix said:
Of course there are a lot of assumptions. It's all we have right now. Hopefully, the picture becomes clearer as the season progresses.

Our hope for this year was that Quinn and Lawrence would be more than enough at end and that Hill would develop quickly at 3-tech.

Early returns are disappointing.

Woods is a sold 1-tech even though some seem to have it out for him because they look at stats instead of what the player is asked to do.

I think Woods is showing to be the guy that he's been since he's been in this league. A limited rotational guy and not someone you're starting if you can help it.

I never expected more from Collins than he's given us so far. And I didn't expect Covington or Armstrong to be more than good rotational players (although Covington was solid at 1-tech against Washington when Woods went out). I was hopeful that Charlton would get it turned around this year and had higher expectations for Hyder than I should have.

They've gotten me with the hype train time and time again, I'll cop to that. But I'm done with that, at least when it comes to this defensive line. They've disappointed too often for far too long.

It will be interesting to see where this line stands about midway through the season. It may turn out that Lawrence and Quinn remain our only hopes for a pass rush or one of those younger players/new players steps up.

It frustrates me that all we continue to have is hope. And no real answers to point to.

Hennessy_King · Sep 19, 2019

cern said:
I side with Marinelli, even though I don't consider him a particularly good coach. that's based on his outdated schemes and insistence on rushing with 4 men with few blitzes thrown in. I much prefer Kris Richard. but a player shouldn't be allowed to disrespect his coach, especially when others aren't doing it. taco showed extreme immaturity. but I don't hear lawrence, Crawford, Collins or woods complaining.

Why would crawford complain? He's being paid and getting playing time way over his actual ability. He will be gone after the year and will not start on any nfl team in the future. bookmark this post for next year

Verdict · Sep 19, 2019

John813 said:
I'll say this, and we can call it an unconfirmed rumor due to lack of official source, but I've been told Tyus Bowser was Rod's want in 2017.
I trust the person who told me that, but I have no way of confirming that to everyone. And not like Bowser has been any better so far

That being said, has there ever been a player before Taco that Rod couldn't get along with?
We can question his coaching up skills, but it just seems everyone sort of likes him on the team.

I doubt that Rod’s inflexibility was the problem here. Rod is arguably past his prime (and maybe even worthless at this point) and I could understand how a player could get really frustrated with that. But Taco had very little room to complain otherwise

Hennessy_King · Sep 19, 2019

Verdict said:
I doubt that Rod’s inflexibility was the problem here. Rod is arguably past his prime (and maybe even worthless at this point) and I could understand how a player could get really frustrated with that. But Taco had very little room to complain otherwise

Imagine knowing he's worthless and not playing you because you don't worship him all day every day like sucker ty craw

cern · Sep 19, 2019

Hennessy_King said:
Why would crawford complain? He's being paid and getting playing time way over his actual ability. He will be gone after the year and will not start on any nfl team in the future. bookmark this post for next year

I made no mention of his talent level. I wanted to see him cut before the start of the season for just the reasons you stated. but he's not complaining and neither are the other linemen. taco's a baby.

gimmesix · Sep 19, 2019

stasheroo said:
Early returns are disappointing.

I think Woods is showing to be the guy that he's been since he's been in this league. A limited rotational guy and not someone you're starting if you can help it.

They've gotten me with the hype train time and time again, I'll cop to that. But I'm done with that, at least when it comes to this defensive line. They've disappointed too often for far too long.

It frustrates me that all we continue to have is hope. And no real answers to point to.

Well, I don't think it is a coincidence that our best player on the line is a pseudo-first-round pick and probably our second-best player is also going to be a former first-rounder. For that matter, Gregory is the only other player we've got who really has shown a pass-rush pop and he probably would have been a first-rounder if not for the dope problem.

We're mainly relying on players drafted in the third round or below or cheap free agents to shore up the interior, and the results are probably about what we should expect.

The Charlton failure is a setback to building a strong line along with Gregory's continued marijuana issues, although Quinn mitigates that some. If the Hill pick fails, then we're back to the drawing board as far as the quality of player we're putting out there.

lockster · Sep 19, 2019

One good preseason game doesn't make you a good DE. Taco looked lazy and lackidaisical to me in the past, we don't need guys like this on the team.

Hennessy_King · Sep 19, 2019

cern said:
I made no mention of his talent level. I wanted to see him cut before the start of the season for just the reasons you stated. but he's not complaining and neither are the other linemen. taco's a baby.

Imagine having to watch crawford start every game while you're inactive lol.

cern · Sep 19, 2019

gimmesix said:
Well, I don't think it is a coincidence that our best player on the line is a pseudo-first-round pick and probably our second-best player is also going to be a former first-rounder. For that matter, Gregory is the only other player we've got who really has shown a pass-rush pop and he probably would have been a first-rounder if not for the dope problem.

We're mainly relying on players drafted in the third round or below or cheap free agents to shore up the interior, and the results are probably about what we should expect.

The Charlton failure is a setback to building a strong line along with Gregory's continued marijuana issues, although Quinn mitigates that some. If the Hill pick fails, then we're back to the drawing board as far as the quality of player we're putting out there.

demarcus Lawrence got his new deal based on sacks. he's a lot better than Gregory. but Gregory is a good pass rusher.

ABQCOWBOY · Sep 19, 2019

cern said:
I side with Marinelli, even though I don't consider him a particularly good coach. that's based on his outdated schemes and insistence on rushing with 4 men with few blitzes thrown in. I much prefer Kris Richard. but a player shouldn't be allowed to disrespect his coach, especially when others aren't doing it. taco showed extreme immaturity. but I don't hear lawrence, Crawford, Collins or woods complaining.

Most DC would prefer to rush only 4. I mean, if you can get pressure with just 4, that makes it much more difficult to throw the ball because you have 7 in coverage. I know you know this, I'm just saying that's really not unusual. You would rather be able to do that. Now if you want to say that he's not creative with the 4 man rush, that's a different discussion.

Tommy · Sep 19, 2019

visionary said:
We gave up on a first round asset with potential after 2 years because of a has been coach who will likely be gone after this year?

Yep, makes total sense

So Taco being released had nothing to do with Taco? And no one else in the organization wanted him gone?

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