What role Does Stephen play in Garrett being here?

CowboyRoy

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Behind the scenes Garrett is not who he appears to be on tv. On tv you see him clapping but if you saw that last season of Hard Knocks he was cussing like a sailor and it wasn’t pretty.

Having said that it has been said everything is done by committee but ultimately Jerry wields the final veto. To answer your question Stephen and Garrett are subject to Jerry but they have a lot of leeway until the results take a dip. I tend to believe Stephen would want to bring in another coach if we had a losing record for more than two to three years in a row.. Do they gang up on Jerry? Nobody gangs up on Jerry....

All the committee thing means is that everyone gives their opinion and Jerry decides. So Garrett is one cog in the wheel that Jerry steers.
 

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We will see when team come calling for Moore. Richard was last year and I think he stays another year. Moore should turn down offers to continue to grow another year at OC, especially if we continue to do well on Offense this year.
 

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What history has shown is that we can even make the championship game with Garrett in charge of the offense. This is new territory with Moore in control. With Garrett out of the way of the offense, it might be enough with the talent we have.
Even before Garrett though. Wade had some deep teams that were playing elite defense as well and those guys underachieved.

Common denominator is Jerry.
 

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All the committee thing means is that everyone gives their opinion and Jerry decides. So Garrett is one cog in the wheel that Jerry steers.

He’s not there everyday week in and week out. Garrett has a lot more leeway than one would think.. Jerry stays up in the owners box until we start getting beat...
 

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He’s not there everyday week in and week out. Garrett has a lot more leeway than one would think.. Jerry stays up in the owners box until we start getting beat...

Leeway? Not sure what you mean. Garrett has the least amount of controls as any HC in the NFL.
 

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I agree with most of what you just said. But you point out that Stephen goes along with Jerry because he knows that Garrett might be the best puppet we could hope for. But what you are really pointing to is that IF STEPHEN WERE IN CHARGE he would fire Garrett and get a non puppet type coach in here. I don't think Stephen would want a puppet. He, more than anyone has seen the errors in that course of coaching hire.
Well, my next post that you responded to outlined how I think it would play out. Assuming Stephen becomes Pres. Then hire those under him to make the decisions. Right, no puppet.
 

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Don't agree on that one. Stephen is definitely the next guy in line. He has been positioned that way. Im sure they would all discuss but Stephen would be the guy.

Not sure about the GM thing, however. That is a good question.
The bottom line is I don’t expect Stephen to run football operations in the same manner once Daddy is gone.
 

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You are asking the wrong guy. In my mind, almost anyone is better than Garrett. Heck, I would take Richards over Garrett.

However, with Garrett finally pushed fully away from the offense and Moore in charge, I am more happy with Garrett where he is.

If all he has to do is give speeches, organize, and clap on the sidelines he certainly can do that.
How is Garrett “finally pushed fully away from the offense?”

What part of it did he control last season that he doesn’t now?
 

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Leeway? Not sure what you mean. Garrett has the least amount of controls as any HC in the NFL.
True , which makes him less responsible or accountable. And how he’s survived all of these years. Garrett’s greatest asset IMO is holding it all together thru all the distractions. Not letting it collapse or steer too far off course.

And his influence with Daddy and Son building a team more in his vision by beginning to build with OL, running game then defense. McClay has found the talent to fit this mold, Stephen has negotiated it.

I see Jason as this behind the scenes walk around GM type motivator on the field who the players perform hard for, never quitting. Garrett’s Game Day flaws have been well documented and he’s not a brilliant guru but he’s not as bad as some make him out to be.

Plus it takes a special breed to coexist with Jerry’s dysfunctional ways. Our franchise since Jason took over looks more like a normal operation than it has since Jimmy was here with the possible exception of with Bill.

No, we have to give some credit to Jason for holding this all together and influencing overall better decisions. Wade had some talent when he took over but wasn’t able to coexist or influence better personnel decisions with Jerry and Stephen. And it eventually collapsed without that continued influx of talent and ability to steer the team without the control most HC’s have.

It’s why I believe Garrett despite his coaching weaknesses is probably the best scenario we can hope for in our current situation under Jerry. And why I continue to prop him up.
 

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Wow.....Dak is playing great through two games, so even at 2-0, we have to point our displeasure and hate somewhere, and now it’s on Jason Garrett.

Check your history. There’s only one reason Garrett is our head coach. He was running a top 5 offense as OC. Jerry paid him huge money to keep him as coordinator so he wouldn’t go be a head coach elsewhere, and there was interest. He had interviews and an offer according to reports. Jerry stuck with him through some growing pains and now views him as a successful head coach. You can pick on him for anything you wish. But Garrett has been here for a long time now through up and down years, and no team has ever quit on him. He’s never lost a locker room. He’s never had players badmouthing him, not even after they leave. The Cowboys play hard for him. So what is he doesn’t currently coach the offense or defense. He HAS done it, and I’m sure he plays a role in weekly game planning. He’s like plenty of other coaches, like Tomlinson in Pittsburg. He just doesn’t have the SB.....yet.
You are right on. The Ravens were going to hire him instead of Harbough. The Rams wanted him as well.
 

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Now? Who knows but when Garrett was the backup QB, he and Son became friends as well as the daughter because of her Ivy League background. Son kept tabs on him and when the opportunity presented itself, he championed Garrett because he also felt he would be an ally against his old man when push came to shove, which has been the case. Owens, Bryant and Phillips are gone because of those two.

There is an assumption that once Booger goes toes up, Son moves into his chair and Garrett into the GM role but who knows. I used to think the Cowboys might take on a more conventional look with a real GM running the team but after Son has gotten all of this celebrityitis from Booger, not sure he doesn't become Booger the Second.
 

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How is Garrett “finally pushed fully away from the offense?”

What part of it did he control last season that he doesn’t now?

Linehan was running Garretts offense the way Garrett wanted it run. Conservative, boring, predictable.

Take a look at my signature if you want to know where Jones told Garrett to stay out of the way. I have more on that if you need it.
 

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True , which makes him less responsible or accountable. And how he’s survived all of these years. Garrett’s greatest asset IMO is holding it all together thru all the distractions. Not letting it collapse or steer too far off course.

And his influence with Daddy and Son building a team more in his vision by beginning to build with OL, running game then defense. McClay has found the talent to fit this mold, Stephen has negotiated it.

I see Jason as this behind the scenes walk around GM type motivator on the field who the players perform hard for, never quitting. Garrett’s Game Day flaws have been well documented and he’s not a brilliant guru but he’s not as bad as some make him out to be.

Plus it takes a special breed to coexist with Jerry’s dysfunctional ways. Our franchise since Jason took over looks more like a normal operation than it has since Jimmy was here with the possible exception of with Bill.

No, we have to give some credit to Jason for holding this all together and influencing overall better decisions. Wade had some talent when he took over but wasn’t able to coexist or influence better personnel decisions with Jerry and Stephen. And it eventually collapsed without that continued influx of talent and ability to steer the team without the control most HC’s have.

It’s why I believe Garrett despite his coaching weaknesses is probably the best scenario we can hope for in our current situation under Jerry. And why I continue to prop him up.

I agree his greatest skill is hanging around. "Kissing butt". But I really don't know where you get this idea that Garrett has "held it all together" and how he was the guy that "had the vision to focus on the Oline" or that Garrett brought some kind of culture here.

Are you making all that up?
 

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I agree his greatest skill is hanging around. "Kissing butt". But I really don't know where you get this idea that Garrett has "held it all together" and how he was the guy that "had the vision to focus on the Oline" or that Garrett brought some kind of culture here.

Are you making all that up?
No, that’s my take on how it’s unfolded since he took over as HC.
 

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Now? Who knows but when Garrett was the backup QB, he and Son became friends as well as the daughter because of her Ivy League background. Son kept tabs on him and when the opportunity presented itself, he championed Garrett because he also felt he would be an ally against his old man when push came to shove, which has been the case. Owens, Bryant and Phillips are gone because of those two.

There is an assumption that once Booger goes toes up, Son moves into his chair and Garrett into the GM role but who knows. I used to think the Cowboys might take on a more conventional look with a real GM running the team but after Son has gotten all of this celebrityitis from Booger, not sure he doesn't become Booger the Second.
I can’t see Stephen taking the same celebrity status as Jerry. Stephen will have two siblings with equal ownership to serve as a neutral or calming force.

I think it’s much more likely Stephen assumes President then makes Jason VP and or GM in a similar role as Elway.
 

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I think Stephen is looking to get the best parts to get Cowboys wins.
If that means - that he thinks a coaching upgrade is needed - he will make the change.
Within this - any new coach would be told - yes you have a say in drafting but the Will McClay group holds the final vote.


no, the head coach holds the final vote in who's drafted. the hc is the person that tells the drafting dept. what type of players they want
 

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it's funny how people think Garret has nothing to do with the offense now, that's really funny. He has more to do with the offense now than ever right now. I would state that when Linehan was here he let Linehan have complete autonomy and let him do whatever he wanted, which was a problem In my opinion.
With Moore he's telling him what he wants to see, if anyone paid any attention to his interviews he said that.
The offensive game plan is put together by Garrett, Moore, Kitna, and Dak, with some inputs from the RB, Wrs, and TEs, this has also benn stated in interviews .
 
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