Twitter: Charting Will McClay's draft hits and/or misses since 2014

jjktkk said:

That's not clarification, that's called moving the goalposts. Multiple posters in this thread have called you out for being wrong. I'm just the latest.

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Trueeeeeee

Jstopper said:

That’s not even true.

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Patriots the most successful NA sports team we've even seen traded their 2nd rounder Duke Dawson after just one season. Not even two.

Patriots Drafted Dominique Easley in the 1st round. Cut him before his 3rd season with the team.

We've done a superb job drafting, plus some of our other "risk" picks in terms of injuries have worked out. I could care less that we missed on taco. One first round pick doesn't make a whole team.

jjktkk said:

New England, Seattle has. Are they not considered successful franchises? Hmmm, unless you just like argue on here...

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He has no idea what he’s talking about. He needs something to be mad about.

That chart is going to look bad as long as the Old Tales from the Crept owner and DL coach don't play the players McClay drafts and release no.1 picks before the 3 year rule.

This is not the way to judge a draft pick. You judge by who was there at all positions, not just the next player taken at the same position.

I mean, the Raiders took a kicker in the 1st round once. You can't then go and say, "Hey, it was a good pick, look who the next kicker drafted was." Note: I have no idea who the next kicker drafted was, I'm just pointing out the flawed logic.

However, the two glaring misses using Belt's logic - Gregory instead of Clark, Taco instead of Watt...same position.

The Cowboys draft formula (at least in the early rounds) is pretty simple.

-Freak athlete
-from a Power 5 school
-who doesn't suck at playing football

and it's been wildly successful.

So successful in fact, the only real high-round whiffs we've had are when we deviate from that formula.

2017: TJ Watt checked all the boxes, but was available at #27 because of his janky knees. Marinelli talked us out of it, and well, we got Taco.

2018: Justin Reid checked all the boxes (95th% athlete / Stanford / 1st Team Pac-12), but we talked ourselves out of them for Connor Williams (68th % athlete) because we were so traumatized from the Atlanta game. The book isn't written on Williams, but right now, he kind of sucks. Reid is playing very well for the Texans.

2019: Juan Thornhill checked all the boxes (99th% athlete / UVA / 1st team All-ACC), but we ended up going for Trystan Hill. Way too early to tell, but yeah... formula.

I guess you can count Randy Gregory as a whiff, but that wasn't a misevaluation of his talent. That pick was always a gamble on his drug usage/mental health and it just crapped out.

Anyway, if we had just stuck to what we know works, we'd pretty much be batting 1.000 in the first 2 rounds.

QuincyCarterEra said:

Patriots the most successful NA sports team we've even seen traded their 2nd rounder Duke Dawson after just one season. Not even two.

Patriots Drafted Dominique Easley in the 1st round. Cut him before his 3rd season with the team.

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A pick at the bottom of the second round is not the same as a first round pick. Or so I have been informed by those saying Hill needs time. So which is it?

Easley also had injury concerns.

Alexander said:

A pick at the bottom of the second round is not the same as a first round pick. Or so I have been informed by those saying Hill needs time. So which is it?

Easley also had injury concerns.

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Oh the Patriots have some 1st round gaffs as well. Choosing Daniel Graham over Ed Reed in 2002. Drafting Laurence Maroney, and Chad Jackson(high 2nd round pick 36th overall) in 06, bypassing the chance to draft Greg Jennings, Devin Hester and Maurice Jones-Drew that year.

Hawkeye0202 said:

As stated in other threads, they blew this one, big time. But to their credit, they also hit on a quite a few mid-low rounders. Brugler tweeted that they passed on Watt coz he wasn't a good fit? Lesson learned....just draft the best damn player, the rest will take care of itself.

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Some on here would claim that Garrett built this roster. What do you say to that?

Alexander said:

A pick at the bottom of the second round is not the same as a first round pick. Or so I have been informed by those saying Hill needs time. So which is it?

Easley also had injury concerns.

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A 2nd rounder that lasted one year is pretty equivalent to a 1st that lasts two.

Doesnt excuse the fact they moved on from a 1st rounder after two seasons.

Anyone thinking they need to change ANYTHING about the draft is simply goofy.

Dallas missed on one guy but they have successed for the same reason Taco should have.
They married athletic profile and potential with team fit.
Taco needed to be pushed and couldn't handle it so he busted out.
It happens.
But in DAL it has happened very, very little.

He may still end up a viable NFL player but his shot at being anything more was wasted with complaining and lack of effort.
If a DL can't get along with Rod I don't want him.
Far too many guys love him for him to be the one with issues.

IndianaCowboys1994 said:

Agree about best player. Jeff Cavanaugh tweeted the same thing yesterday. Dallas was looking for a DT this year. Now, we don't know if Trysten Hill is going to be a bust. They very well may have reached again. We see teams do it all the time. Look at the 2017 draft. Bears NEEDED a QB and took Trubisky at #2. They could have had almost anyone else, including Mahomes or Watson, but thought Trubisky was the best fit.

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Completely wrong as is Jeff often.
I like JC but he is a kid in a grown man's business talking well above his pay grade about GM issues....He was saying Jaylon wasnt ever going to be any good a couple years ago and Dak wasnt very good as recently as this year.
Ignore JC on GM stuff.

The Bears simply missed. It wasn't fit but them thinking Trubinsky was their guy. They absolutely did need a QB and you get that high in the draft you should get one.
They simply missed.

Mahomes should have went 1st overall. He has been the best QB prospect in about 20 years and I was saying that LONG before he was drafted.

The Tech OL is among the very worst in college football oer the last 10 years and he still destroyed people. He played badly hurt and threw the ball 60 yards with major injury to his shoulder.
His Dad was a major league baseball pitcher and Mahomes is a physical freak out of East Texas that once had 30 points and 20 rebounds in a Texas 5A HS basketball game.
He only played a couple seasons of football there but led Whitehouse to the state playoffs out of no where and with no football experience.
10 minutes on campus at Tech and 4 star recruits were transferring and 5 star guys were decommitting.
He was clearly that good.

Dallas has went off-book a lot.
They drafted Travis Frederick, Demarcus Lawrence, Byron Jones, Jaylon Smith, LVE to mostly jeers.
Their process works and it works well.

Too bad Ryan Russell never straightened out here.

Zekeats said:

Too bad Ryan Russell never straightened out here.

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That's pretty bad. Its funny, but still pretty bad.

darthseinfeld said:

If they really committed to a DE at that pick, then they should have been agressive and got there guy (whom I believe was McKinley). DE's have such a small hit rate at that portion of the draft, that if you sit back and take whats left the chance of you hitting are not good. If you are committed to a position (which is bad planning in and of itself) you need to agressive

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Tak McKinley was the guy I wanted but they said after the draft that they had McKinley and Taco rated the same (with Watt higher, but not a position fit). McKinley went two picks before they chose Taco.