This board was right on Linehan

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Kaiser

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Please, please, please, do.

People don’t feel shame when they’re blatantly wrong these days. Shame is a community’s natural way of helping them learn and or shutting them up so we don’t have to hear from them as much.

My spidey sense is tingling!

I think I'm being referred to in this thread, but for reference Linehan 2018 had to go and I said so on this board. Linehan 2016 was part of a team posters here said would have a losing record but went 13-3. I didn't hear these posters calling for his head back then.

The biggest issue was that the game changed and Linehan didn't change to keep up. He certainly deserved to get fired last year and doing it earlier would have been ideal. But most coaches suddenly get dumber when their OL goes from one of the best to one of the worst because of injuries and the Paul Alexanderization of La'el Collins.
 

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Absolutely. But at some point you have to incorporate new ideas and change it up. Other opposing players have said there is no game plan for us. You know what they are going to do, you just have to stop it.
I don't dispute that.

But the way you let some tell it Scott was the one out there missing throws or dropping passes.
 

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If it were allowed, I can bring up the names and posts of several posters that like to try to tell people like they know something who constantly defended Linehan. Now? Not a peep! Like it never happened. We all make mistakes, but some can own up to them while some can't.

If you want a fun exercise take a trip down memory lane and find out who said what.

Go for it. :laugh:
I still remember people blaming Dak for Linehans trash offense. Yeah they are real quiet now.
 

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Ex-Detroit coaches are Bad luck....but by the time they get rid of Marinelli, he'll probably be moving into Assisted Living. Not sure he isn't mostly a figure-head (motivational speaker) now anyways.
New HC: Wayne Fontes
 

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Go for it. :laugh:
I still remember people blaming Dak for Linehans trash offense. Yeah they are real quiet now.

Yeah, a whole lot less of those veiled 'Dak sucks' threads popping up nowadays.

Some folks just hope that we forget, while they spout off their most recent bit of nonsense. Not all of us do.
 
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It seems like when this board gets a strong concensus we are usually right as a group. Linehan obviously was universally hated by most on this board. He is gone and it appears we were right again.
A strong consensus on this board was that Dak was wack but now Dak's like....
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It seems like when this board gets a strong concensus we are usually right as a group. Linehan obviously was universally hated by most on this board. He is gone and it appears we were right again.
I've been using the Cowboys official fan forum for six or seven seasons now. I get better information here than anywhere else without a doubt
 

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The biggest reason the team is playing better this year is partly because of Moore but mostly KITNA like I’ve said all offseason. Dak looks like a completely different quarterback. You can have the greatest plays in the world but if QB is overthrowing or OL isn’t holding up then play designs don’t matter.

Dak has only been PRESSURED 6 times this year. Last year he was SACKED 6 times through 2 games.
Scheme does play a role. Dak's been getting rid of the ball a lot quicker because his first option is almost always open.

Snap to throw
2018 games 1-2
2.78 sec (29th)

2019 games 1-2
2.33 sec (6th)
 

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My spidey sense is tingling!

I think I'm being referred to in this thread, but for reference Linehan 2018 had to go and I said so on this board. Linehan 2016 was part of a team posters here said would have a losing record but went 13-3. I didn't hear these posters calling for his head back then.

The biggest issue was that the game changed and Linehan didn't change to keep up. He certainly deserved to get fired last year and doing it earlier would have been ideal. But most coaches suddenly get dumber when their OL goes from one of the best to one of the worst because of injuries and the Paul Alexanderization of La'el Collins.

I respect you Kaiser, you’re a great poster and you’re right. Most were on board when we were 13-3.

I’m not sure when the displeasure started with Linehan/Garrett offense and when it turned to disgust. I do remember being alarmed when Ray Lewis said we had the most predictable offense a long long time ago. Many others said this too.

I guess we were good enough to overcome that or that was sufficient(or seemed so) with Tony, Dez, Zeke, and Dak as a rookie. But I always wondered why we wouldn’t scheme/pick etc. like other teams to get guys wide open and “fool” the D or out scheme them.

That was Garrett’s style. Outman them. I’m happy we moved on. Shifts to help read the D, different packages on different downs and distance, different formations seems like a no brainer.
 
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I don't dispute that.

But the way you let some tell it Scott was the one out there missing throws or dropping passes.
Of course not. The players execute the plays. And it’s strange that they have been doing these same plays for years so they should execute them in there sleep.
 

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..hated is to strong of a word, its personal. More on the level of disappointment, frustration and thwarted ability. I called for his head and Marinelli like 3 yrs ago.
 

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[2018, Reg Season] % of their team’s plays each RB got the ball when their team was inside the 5…

Henry: 41%
Peterson: 33%
Gurley: 32%
Carson: 32%
McCaffrey: 32%
Zeke: 24%!!
Look at their success rates on those plays in 2018. Zeke's was 27%, no one else was under 50%.

Henry: 13 of 17
Peterson: 5 of 8
Gurley: 13 of 22
Carson: 8 of 16
McCaffrey: 8 of 16
Zeke: 3 of 11

Elliott's poor success rate on runs inside the 5 wasn't from a lack of carries. The team just couldn't run like it used to, due to a combination of factors (No Fred, no Dez, no Witten).

2018 3 of 11 (27%)
2017 8 of 12 (67%)
2016 10 of 13 (77%)

 

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I’m not sure when the displeasure started with Linehan/Garrett offense and when it turned to disgust. I do remember being alarmed when Ray Lewis said we had the most predictable offense a long long time ago. Many others said this too.

Thanks for the kind words, I was fine with Linehan in 2016 because... you know... it was working. The Linehan scheme of "you gotta stop us" works with an OL like that and Zeke pounding the rock.

In 2017 I gave him the benefit of the doubt but I was wrong.

In 2018 I could see the writing on the wall but wasn't calling for him to be fired until the play where Amari Cooper said something like "are you kidding" to another comeback route against the Eagles and Dak audibled a deep out for a TD. Cooper is a smart guy and when he talks about that publicly, you know the whole team has been saying it privately for a while.
 

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Nobody really liked Linehan all that much. He was a retread coach with connections to an already unpopular HC, and he had a grumpy personality.

That said, the mob on this board is collectively dead wrong about as often as it is accidentally right.
 

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We did leave so many points on the board last year due to just execution.

Olawale vs Colts
Beasley at Falcons
Dak taking sacks at the end of first half to take out of FG range
Gallup drop vs Panthers
Dak overthrow to Gallup vs Saints and at least 2 or 3 others

The biggest reason the team is playing better this year is partly because of Moore but mostly KITNA like I’ve said all offseason. Dak looks like a completely different quarterback. You can have the greatest plays in the world but if QB is overthrowing or OL isn’t holding up then play designs don’t matter.

Dak has only been PRESSURED 6 times this year. Last year he was SACKED 6 times through 2 games.
Last year he had to wait for the receivers to run long developing routes and not get open.

Disagree completely that execution is the biggest difference. Same guys, different OC, but it's only execution. OK, then.
 

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Last year he had to wait for the receivers to run long developing routes and not get open.

Disagree completely that execution is the biggest difference. Same guys, different OC, but it's only execution. OK, then.
Dak is a night and day different player. You don’t go from 17th best QB to top 5 (granted through 2 weeks against bad teams) just on scheme. That’s largely because of his mechanics and a better QB coach teaching him how to read defenses quicker. Kellen helps but not as big as Kitna IMO

Gallup is a night and day different player as he’s more confident in asking why the scheme is the way it is rather than blindly follow instructions without knowing why.

Fredericks back. OL has only allowed 6 pressures through 2 weeks instead of 6 sacks through zero weeks. That’s just as big if not bigger than Daks mechanics.

RPOs and fun routes are cool but last year Dak doesn’t hit that post to Smith, a 50 yard dime between the numbers. That’s when I knew this is a different QB
 

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It seems like when this board gets a strong concensus we are usually right as a group. Linehan obviously was universally hated by most on this board. He is gone and it appears we were right again.

I think we'd have to go back to the 2014 and 2016 seasons to see what the consensus was then. I'd bet he wasn't very hated during those years.

Not defending him because like others I've been saying for years that he and Garrett lacked creativity. I just think we do a lot of revisionist history when it comes to us being "right again." If being right means we recognized that he needed to go after 2017 and 2018, I think that was pretty easy to see.

Some were calling for his head in 2015, so I guess they deserve some kudos for that, but I can't say their voices were very loud when we were performing well on offense with a rookie QB in 2016.
 

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Lions fans were laughing at the Cowboys for hiring Linehan. That really should have told us everything we needed to know. Lions fans were LAUGHING.
 
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