Who's drafting these terrible dlinemen?

charron said:

Didnt they have him as an OLB?

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Shh, we are only using the portions of history that fit the narrative being built up in the Madden GM's head.

Idgit said:

Week 3, rookie season. Lol.

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Only healthy 2nd day pick that has been inactive. You salty or nah

So if Marinelli is to blame for Taco and Hill, is he the guy to thank for Dak, Smith, LVE, Elliott, Gallup, Martin, Collins, Beard, Awuzie, Jones etc...

I don't blame marinelli for the picks I blame him for not coaching them up. He's supposed to be a d line guru yet we have gregory, irving, taco all bust. Hill so far looks like a waste.

buybuydandavis said:

I have a theory that everyone is invested in the Dline Whisperer Narrative, so we've been flying into the teeth of poor RKG evaluations for the dline. Last 3 dline second round picks and above: Gregory, Taco, Hill.

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Horrible.

jaythecowboy said:

Donovan Wilson had the best grade of any rookie in the preseason.

https://247sports.com/college/texas...-Dallas-Cowboys-Pro-Football-Focus-134856027/

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Anxious to see if he's really as good as his PS performance.

Hennessy_King said:

I don't blame marinelli for the picks I blame him for not coaching them up. He's supposed to be a d line guru yet we have gregory, irving, taco all bust. Hill so far looks like a waste.

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Gregory and Irving have looked great when they are on the field so those 2 guys don't help the argument that he's not coaching people up. Taco was a lazy punk. Can't fix lazy, but Rod wanted him so that one's on him. We'll see on Hill.

nate dizzle said:

Gregory and Irving have looked great when they are on the field so those 2 guys don't help the argument that he's not coaching people up. Taco was a lazy punk. Can't fix lazy, but Rod wanted him so that one's on him. We'll see on Hill.

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Gregory has like 1 career sack lol. He hasn't coached up anybody. He hangs his hat on ty craws "success" lol.

Hennessy_King said:

Only healthy 2nd day pick that has been inactive. You salty or nah

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Yeah, it’s not good start. I didn’t suggest it was.

Not salty. I just have a low tolerance for leaping to negative conclusions for anonymous attention on the internet.

Cowboys22 said:

Both picks have several similarities. Both players had work ethic type red flags. Both players were considered reaches by many because better players were available. Both times they overlooked the red flags and the better players and decided to go with specific athletic traits overtop of overall football talent and ability. They will need to readdress how they handle DL in the draft just as they did with OL several years ago.

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don't many (or even most DL) prospects have some kind of " red flags " or another coming into the NFL draft ?

I would think through the entire evaluation process which may consist of , game film tape, physical measurements.. long term potential,.. character and leadership traits ..talking with their trainers and coaches to get a better clue on their work ethic, toughness and passion drive and responsibility, its a way of coming up with a process of measuring the pluses vs the minuses, strengths vs weaknesses, etc.
and there will always be under rating and over-analyzing of basically all draft prospects.

when it comes to the NFL draft, what process and qualifications matters most to you ?

Idgit said:

Yeah, it’s not good start. I didn’t suggest it was.

Not salty. I just have a low tolerance for leaping to negative conclusions for anonymous attention on the internet.

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The pick sucked. Let's just leave it at that. Even if he balls out a year from now the pick still sucks. Players that got picked after him are starting right now and being successful.

PAPPYDOG said:

The "Usual Suspects"......

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so you are saying those guys around that table have made poor draft picks? we are like third in the league for having the MOST draft picks starting and the percentage make gup a large portion of our team..

so they get blame for few bad choices like all teams have but what all the great ones were pure luck?

I mean the offense is nearly built 100% through he draft and have earned big second contracts..

last I checked only starters on offense not drafted are Olalwale, Cobb, and Amari and we gave our 1st rounder for him so technically he was CHOSEN..

3 starting LBs have all been PBs at one point or another, starting DBs all drafted, correct?

so we tend to not value Safetys and have missed a few on Dlinemen.. cant have it all work and some positions will suffer when you have so much talent at others..

add to that when you are a good team you get low 1st round picks and most of the crème top cant miss type guys are gone..

I get it we made few mistakes but its way early to Judge Hill, Gregory has potential to be great if he could stay away from weed.. heck imagine this line with Tank, Gregory centered by David Irving etc add Collins and woods in the rotations they were on the right track even tried Romac but all 3 of those guys have addiction issues the FO cant control..

they are starting over in that area and hopefully can find some money for the front but other then that this team has drafted pretty dang at the top 5 in the league over 5years..

Hennessy_King said:

Gregory has like 1 career sack lol. He hasn't coached up anybody. He hangs his hat on ty craws "success" lol.

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If all you're going by is sacks then yeah. But anyone with eyes can see that Gregory has elite pass rush potential. Tough to coach guys that aren't on the practice field though so I don't understand how that gets hung on Marinelli as "not coaching him up." Same thing with Irving.

stasheroo said:

Another swing and a miss.

More facts for you, since you either don't know or don't care to admit it.

The entire league knew that Randy Gregory was talented. The Cowboys didn't "evaluate" that talent better than anyone else.

The rest of the league knew about Randy Gregory's issues off the field. That's why they passed. They properly evaluated that those issues didn't warrant drafting him. So, if anyone improperly evaluated him, it would be the team that used a 2nd round pick on him where everyone knew the risks involved.

Let me know if you need any more education on this. I'm happy to help.

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Thank you

Hennessy_King said:

The pick sucked. Let's just leave it at that. Even if he balls out a year from now the pick still sucks. Players that got picked after him are starting right now and being successful.

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I wasn’t a fan. And I agree he’s looked bad early if that helps. I’m not sure how soon he starts is all that relevant to the debate, as some teams are deeper than others. But we drafted him to plug in after Collins leaves. If he can’t do that, I’d agree that he busted.

Here's my thought on the drafting of the DL so far.

Majority were day 3 guys. Some in the 4th and then some guys later like the 5th, 6th and 7th.
So, obviously you don't want the picks to be failures right away, but late into day 3 teams are reaching for a certain skill set they think they could mold or athletically strong guys who are raw. Most guys in day 3 need some work.

There is no early 2000's Jerry Jones who rules above all, especially when it comes to the coordinators/position coaches. They really seem to value an approach by team from coaches and scouts. I think certain coaches will pull for certain players, the FO gets input from the scouts and there's a group discussion.
Clearly, the coaches, FO and scouts will not agree on every player, as we saw with Taco. McClay/Rod and others leaned towards Taco's untapped potential and the scouts wanted Watt. Oh well.

What we've seen too recently is that the team isn't shy about who they want. In 2018 they wanted LVE and well other teams knew that and even cancelled meetings with LVE, like the Titans for example. There were hints leaked into media that LVE was their guy.
Same thing was with Hill. When day 2 started, official tweeters around the Cowboys started talking about Hill and that the team could draft him.

It's too early to call Hill a failure, and I wasn't a fan of his pick.
I definitely think they overdrafted him and he isn't ready now for playing time. Who, and how many wanted to take him then and there? No clue. But I doubt the FO/rest of coaches/scouts leaned one way and they were overruled by Rod to take Hill.

Mobinvans said:

Ok... so who's been in charge of these high round draft failures on the Dline..

Taco

T.Hill

Someone wanted them...who?

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Drafting Need instead of BPA will get those types of results.

CowboysWillRise said:

Mcclay was in the group that wanted Taco though. Im not bad mouthing him, but he was part of the problem this time. They took a lesser player because of length and fit. Hopefully they learn from this.

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Correct. if we didn't draft taco we probably still didn't draft watt. Watt 100% went to the better fit and the result of good ability with the right fit.

charron said:

Dude shouldnt be on the board if he has character concerns. Hardest part of nfl is getting these guys to put in the work. All these high draft busts cause they too dam lazy cause they think they have talent. Coaches always think they can fix em, they cant. What they can do is draft them way late and see if they get humble an hungry to learn.

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But don’t you think those character concerns need to be investigated thoroughly to see if or if not if there’s any truth behind it ?
To see if there’s misleading rumors and information involved ?

Look at what happen with the Lael Collins pre-draft situation that caused a 1st round pick prospect to go completely undrafted.
How do we know if it’s fault within the coaches and the way they go about handling players that could have help launch or infused those character concerns ?

What a lot of people may not be aware of about Trysten Hill’s situation and regards to his supposed character concerns is per report, he actually tried to transfer schools
and move away from the situation at Central Florida and into a better, more constructive atmosphere but the school actually blocked and refused his transfer admission.

Imo, when you go about research investigation and due diligence to do scouting work on a player, you have to approach it with an open mind, be impartial and unbiased and listen to both sides to help produce the best decision possible.

nate dizzle said:

Gregory and Irving have looked great when they are on the field so those 2 guys don't help the argument that he's not coaching people up. Taco was a lazy punk. Can't fix lazy, but Rod wanted him so that one's on him. We'll see on Hill.

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Gregory has looked nowhere near great. What games have you watched? He's had a couple solid performances, but far more where he had little impact on the games other than ill-timed stupid penalties.