Who's drafting these terrible dlinemen?

GenoT · Sep 20, 2019

The same people who drafted D-Law, Fredbeard, Zach, Dak, Zeke, Jaylon, LVE, etc.

:huh:

Hennessy_King · Sep 20, 2019

Idgit said:
I wasn’t a fan. And I agree he’s looked bad early if that helps. I’m not sure how soon he starts is all that relevant to the debate, as some teams are deeper than others. But we drafted him to plug in after Collins leaves. If he can’t do that, I’d agree that he busted.

Collins and D law are the only D lineman even playing this year and you are gonna let collins walk? Instead of taking a good 1T to play next to collins we take a guy to possibly replace him next year in the 2nd round? If this is their line of thinking I think we got very lucky in the draft the last number of years cuz holy crap that's backwards

charron · Sep 20, 2019

quickccc said:
But don’t you think those character concerns need to be investigated thoroughly to see if or if not if there’s any truth behind it ?
To see if there’s misleading rumors and information involved ?

Look at what happen with the Lael Collins pre-draft situation that caused a 1st round pick prospect to go completely undrafted.
How do we know if it’s fault within the coaches and the way they go about handling players that could have help launch or infused those character concerns ?

What a lot of people may not be aware of about Trysten Hill’s situation and regards to his supposed character concerns is per report, he actually tried to transfer schools
and move away from the situation at Central Florida and into a better, more constructive atmosphere but the school actually blocked and refused his transfer admission.

Imo, when you go about research investigation and due diligence to do scouting work on a player, you have to approach it with an open mind, be impartial and unbiased and listen to both sides to help produce the best decision possible.

investigated yes. Those concerns were all true, we knew that then. But I caution a couch or scout to think it won't happen here just cause some kid says it won't happen again. Not saying i wouldn't draft a taco type guy but maybe i'd try to get him later in the draft or let someone else take the risk. Succeeding in the NFL is 80% mental. All of these guys are really good athletes but only a handful are mentally tough enough to make themselves work harder than they ever have before. Those guys are the ones who rise up.

Hennessy_King · Sep 20, 2019

charron said:
Correct. if we didn't draft taco we probably still didn't draft watt. Watt 100% went to the better fit and the result of good ability with the right fit.

Unfortunately we were 1 pick late that draft. We either needed to move up or move back that draft and we did neither. Takk and tredavious white were picked right before us.

Idgit · Sep 20, 2019

Hennessy_King said:
Collins and D law are the only D lineman even playing this year and you are gonna let collins walk? Instead of taking a good 1T to play next to collins we take a guy to possibly replace him next year in the 2nd round? If this is their line of thinking I think we got very lucky in the draft the last number of years cuz holy crap that's backwards

If Hill can't play, or if Collins takes a deal the way La’el did, that changes things. But Hill was definitely drafted to handicap that position heading into next season. You might think it’s backwards. I’m just saying that’s what the team did.

Stash · Sep 20, 2019

Idgit said:
Lol.

We’re you under the impression I thought busts don’t happen in the NFL?

Or are you just popping off in favor of snap judgements because you really think two weeks into a season is enough time to evaluate a player? You’re jumping to conclusions, again, because you want to be the first to be “right” about something to complain about. That’s fine. Just don’t ask me to hold your hand and tell you how smart you are along the way. You’re just guessing at this point.

I'm not calling him a bust at this point two games into his career, of course that's premature. My position is that being inactive his first two weeks of his career is an inauspicious start. Especially among what has also been a disappointing group thus far.

Stash · Sep 20, 2019

GhostOfPelluer said:
How dare they treat people as people and not like the Madden GMs on this board.

Yeah because that's how successful companies do it. All about the feelings. People always want to point to the Patriots for examples of everything. Here's another area to look to them. You either produce there or you're gone. They're not worried about feelings or stepping on toes. And that's a big part of why they win championships and this team doesn't.

Hennessy_King · Sep 20, 2019

Idgit said:
If Hill can't play, or if Collins takes a deal the way La’el did, that changes things. But Hill was definitely drafted to handicap that position heading into next season. You might think it’s backwards. I’m just saying that’s what the team did.

No it is backwards. Just like they took Taco who was more of a LDE prospect when we needed a RDE as d law insurance if he didn't stay.

Big_D · Sep 20, 2019

I'm actually surprised they went DT in the 2nd because it's a position they just don't value and it kills them every year. Lets see how Hill develops?

Batman1980 · Sep 20, 2019

Big_D said:
I'm actually surprised they went DT in the 2nd because it's a position they just don't value and it kills them every year. Lets see how Hill develops?

Development still won't make him a 1T, which is what this defense needs.

GhostOfPelluer · Sep 20, 2019

stasheroo said:
Yeah because that's how successful companies do it. All about the feelings. People always want to point to the Patriots for examples of everything. Here's another area to look to them. You either produce there or you're gone. They're not worried about feelings or stepping on toes. And that's a big part of why they win championships and this team doesn't.

There’s one thing I am absolutely confident in saying- you have no idea what it takes to run a successful organization.

Big_D · Sep 20, 2019

Batman1980 said:
Development still won't make him a 1T, which is what this defense needs.

Seems like Hill as as close as were getting to that. Be nice to draft a stud 1T in the 1st, that would transform this team. We've been saying it for years and years. After Hill they won't draft a DT in the top 2 rounds for the next 25 years or so.

Stash · Sep 20, 2019

GhostOfPelluer said:
There’s one thing I am absolutely confident in saying- you have no idea what it takes to run a successful organization.

CapnB · Sep 20, 2019

So freaking funny people talking smack about this front office when we have drafted as well as any team in the league the last 6 to 7 seasons. Even the Holy grail also known as the New England Patriots miss on picks and have missed on more picks.

Hennessy_King · Sep 20, 2019

CapnB said:
So freaking funny people talking smack about this front office when we have drafted as well as any team in the league the last 6 to 7 seasons. Even the Holy grail also known as the New England Patriots miss on picks and have missed on more picks.

Yes but good teams facilitate good drafts with good free agency moves as well. Something this team hasn't done in a decade. Our GM is on a family vacation every year the first week of free agency. It's an absolute joke

CouchCoach · Sep 20, 2019

Has the Draft Bust Rule changed from 3 years to 3 games? Did they draft him to take one of the DT positions, Collins or Woods, that they're evaluating for possible future contracts?

It is clear that Marinelli is the one responsible for Hill but he was a 2nd rounder with some ?'s and the Cowboys have the most risk oriented owner in the league. If he pans out, another 2nd round winner, if not, back to the well.

When a team has done as well as they have in the 1st with LT, CB, C, RG, RB and LB, I can let them miss a DE in the 1st. Why doesn't anyone point out the players they could have had instead of those home runs they picked?

Charleton was a bad pick, the jury is still out on Hill.

Big_D · Sep 20, 2019

CapnB said:
So freaking funny people talking smack about this front office when we have drafted as well as any team in the league the last 6 to 7 seasons. Even the Holy grail also known as the New England Patriots miss on picks and have missed on more picks.

It's not just about the draft. That's a well run smart organization with 6 rings and the best coaching in football. After the playoff debacle fans have every right to question the team at the D line position. We'll see how things go when it comes time to make a key stop and they can't. That's just one of the many things that separates the Patriots from the Cowboys at the moment.

CowboysFaninHouston · Sep 20, 2019

Mobinvans said:
Ok... so who's been in charge of these high round draft failures on the Dline..

Taco

T.Hill

Someone wanted them...who?

if its a good draft pick, its McClay. if its a bad draft pick its one of the coaches, and indirectly Garrett's fault.

MichaelWinicki · Sep 20, 2019

How about some context here?

Here are the defensive lineman New England drafted from 2010 through 2016:

Brandon Deaderick
Kade Weston
Chandler Jones
Jake Bequette
Michael Buchanan
Dominique Easley
Zach Moore
Malcom Brown
Geneo Grissom
Trey Flowers
Vincent Valentine

Not one guy is still on the New England roster. Most are gone from the league. 1st round draft pick Easley was waived after two seasons in New England.

Chuck 54 · Sep 20, 2019

Same guys who drafted DLaw, Crawford, Armstrong, and this year's DE's.

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