Twitter: 2016 Draft Derek Henry & Zeke

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means nothing now but I was not big on taking Zeke at 4. I felt that with this line Henry could do the same thing. I actually wanted one of the QBs and as it turned out the one we got may be the best of the 3. How different would this team be if we had Jaylon ramsey, and no jaylon Smith and Derrick Henry instead of Zeke

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joseephuss said:
Henry has 552 career rushing attempts. Using Henry's last 500 carries is basically using his entire career compared to only using a portion of Elliott's career. That is not an equal comparison.
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You would think as young players Zeke is getting better right? So having a higher percentage of his carries when he is better should be good for him right?
 
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starfan1 said:
means nothing now but I was not big on taking Zeke at 4. I felt that with this line Henry could do the same thing. I actually wanted one of the QBs and as it turned out the one we got may be the best of the 3. How different would this team be if we had Jaylon ramsey, and no jaylon Smith and Derrick Henry instead of Zeke
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I wanted Jaylen Ramsey too and still believe you don't draft a RB that high. But Zeke is very likely a generational talent and I was wrong.

The OP was wrong too, and all these threads are because he would rather dig these holes than admit it.
 
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starfan1 said:
means nothing now but I was not big on taking Zeke at 4. I felt that with this line Henry could do the same thing. I actually wanted one of the QBs and as it turned out the one we got may be the best of the 3. How different would this team be if we had Jaylon ramsey, and no jaylon Smith and Derrick Henry instead of Zeke

who knows
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Also the Jaylon & Zeke vs the Ramsey & Henry comparisons are flawed.

Due to Jaylon's injury he didn't play at all in 2016 and was bad in 2017.

What would having Ramsey have done for us in GB? It's reasonable to assume Henry would have been every bit as good behind our line and in our offense in 2016 as Zeke was.

And in 2017 when Jaylon was stinking up the place Ramsey was All-Pro.
 
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Toruk_Makto said:
You would think as young players Zeke is getting better right? So having a higher percentage of his carries when he is better should be good for him right?
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I have no idea what you are saying.

Elliott is good. Trying to say he isn't good is absurd. He certainly is not hurting the Cowboys. He is not a weakness.
 
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Kaiser said:
I wanted Jaylen Ramsey too and still believe you don't draft a RB that high. But Zeke is very likely a generational talent and I was wrong.

The OP was wrong too, and all these threads are because he would rather dig these holes than admit it.
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Generational talent? He isn't even the best RB in our division and his efficiency metrics are...bad.

People throw around "generational talent" too liberally.
 
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starfan1 said:
means nothing now but I was not big on taking Zeke at 4. I felt that with this line Henry could do the same thing. I actually wanted one of the QBs and as it turned out the one we got may be the best of the 3. How different would this team be if we had Jaylon ramsey, and no jaylon Smith and Derrick Henry instead of Zeke

who knows
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Henry runs behind a pretty good offensive line with the Titans. They have been considered one of the top groups the last few years.
 
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superonyx said:
Pathetic. I can't imagine trolling a fan board for 3 years with this kind of crap.
Is this guy serious or is he just trying to make a name for himself around here.
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Oh I think with most, such as myself, he has made a name for himself. Whether or not it's a flattering name is another question. :grin:
 
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Toruk_Makto said:
They rank him top 3 because he has the counting stats. It's literally volume based.

Feel free to tell me what makes Zeke elite. Does he break tackles? Does he make guys miss? Is he a great receiver? Does he break long runs?
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I’m pretty sure they rank him where they do because they have eyes and they know the game better than you or I.


Not trying to be mean but I don’t see the point in arguing what makes Zeke elite. Neither of us are qualified or could possibly know how good Zeke is at the stuff you mentioned. We don’t know how fast he is. What makes Gurley elite? Being elite isn’t about the stuff you want to argue about. Guys get cut from training camp every year who would have something you could point to that makes them special..guys like Darius Jackson. Almost every athlete at this level has the physical ability. But having the brain and the instincts are why workout warriors don’t stand out in the NFL.

What was elite about Ed Reed? Nothing but his production.

I missed the part where you told me why your analysis should be believed over every single analyst, player, coach ect...
 

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Toruk_Makto said:


Is 500 carries too small a sample size?
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what's the purpose of this? I don't get it.

so we can go back 20 years ago and say, hey Brady was drafted in the 6th round look at all the other QBs picked before him that failed...

interesting that the guy didn't mention Dak outperforming QBs picked before him

this is so stupid, I can't begin to explain
 

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AmericanCowboy said:
I think the Zeke contract is terrible. And I think Derrick Henry is great.

And I think Zeke is a much better player than Derrick Henry. .
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Agreed with this, outside of Zeke being much better.
He's likely better, but if there is a gap between the two it's not large at all.
 
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paladin said:
lol
Sounds like a helluva life.
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Ever thought you were right about something, then find out your wrong, then something happens that makes you think maybe your right (suspension of Zeke) so you crawl from beneath your rock to talk about it again only to shut up when what your wrong about is doing well again, only to start talking again when what you thought was right is of a sudden looking good after a couple of years of doing nothing?

Me either. o_O
 
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He's not a generational talent. He's a very, very good TB.

But he's not a generational type guy. Randy Moss............ that's a generational type talent.......... a guy with such unique skill sets - Moss' size, speed, wingspan, etc............ You could argue Moss was one the greatest physical talents to ever play in the NFL, at any position.

There is nothing unique or special about Elliott. He's just a really, really, really good TB.

At least that's how I define generational talent.
 
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CF74 said:
Last 500 carries? How about all carries or first 500 carries? This seems like cherry picking...
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Because he has 552 total career carries. He entered the season at 501 carries. So while zeke has won 2 rushing titles henry has been averaging 11 carries per game.
 
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