Be honest, is this defense good enough to win a Super Bowl?

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If our defense is able to improve significantly with further development, I think we'd have a good chance to get to win a conference title. The Super Bowl is yet another matter entirely. I tend to doubt we're at that level yet but I'm definitely open to being pleasantly surprised. ;)
 

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The 4-3 was designed to keep the o-line off the linebackers, so the linebackers can fill the holes and stop the run. 3-4 was designed as a run-stopping defense, freeing the linebackers to cover tight ends, etc. The 3-4 has to have a big guy in the middle since he'll get double teamed nearly every play, and he typically doesn't make plays, just does the proverbial clogging up the middle.

If you can find a 325 lb guy who can rush the passer, great, but those guys aren't easy to find, generally the bigger you are the slower you are, though of course there are exceptions.

Cowboys run a 4-3 most of the time, they need the quicker DTs, by design, the Rams do pretty well with a 280 or so pound Donald as the feature DT, but he has exceptional quickness AND strength. Charles Haley was a 255 lb DE, but stronger than the average 255 lb player. You would like to have the exceptional guy if you can find them, but those guys go early, Dallas hasn't really had, except for 2016, a really high draft pick, so to say they should draft the exceptional DT is fine, but usually they're gone by the time we draft...
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Almost every successful 4-3 I've observed has a big run clogger in the middle. Cofield w/ the Gnats, Mebane w/ the Seachickens, Branch/Brown/Shelton w/ the Pats, Brockers w/ the Rams. And I've seen the 4-3 fail often when two 3 tech types were tried at DT. OAK w/ Kelly/Seymour just a few years ago. The Rams run D got worse when they put Suh on the nose.

I simply cannot agree w/ that take, sorry.
 
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kskboys said:
Almost every successful 4-3 I've observed has a big run clogger in the middle. Cofield w/ the Gnats, Mebane w/ the Seachickens, Branch/Brown/Shelton w/ the Pats, Brockers w/ the Rams. And I've seen the 4-3 fail often when two 3 tech types were tried at DT. OAK w/ Kelly/Seymour just a few years ago. The Rams run D got worse when they put Suh on the nose.

I simply cannot agree w/ that take, sorry.
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No problem, all I will say is there's more than one way to skin a cat, or run a 4-3. Just because other teams had a bigger guy in the middle then it doesn't mean you can't win titles with guys who aren't 325 lbs or so.

But it's apparent the Cowboys aren't going to have that guy, so we'll see if we can muddle along with 308 and 313 lb'ers...
 

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Our pass defense allows an atrociously high completion percentage, and any good QB can toy with our secondary.
 
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LACowboysFan1 said:
The 4-3 was designed to keep the o-line off the linebackers, so the linebackers can fill the holes and stop the run. 3-4 was designed as a run-stopping defense, freeing the linebackers to cover tight ends, etc. The 3-4 has to have a big guy in the middle since he'll get double teamed nearly every play, and he typically doesn't make plays, just does the proverbial clogging up the middle.

If you can find a 325 lb guy who can rush the passer, great, but those guys aren't easy to find, generally the bigger you are the slower you are, though of course there are exceptions.

Cowboys run a 4-3 most of the time, they need the quicker DTs, by design, the Rams do pretty well with a 280 or so pound Donald as the feature DT, but he has exceptional quickness AND strength. Charles Haley was a 255 lb DE, but stronger than the average 255 lb player. You would like to have the exceptional guy if you can find them, but those guys go early, Dallas hasn't really had, except for 2016, a really high draft pick, so to say they should draft the exceptional DT is fine, but usually they're gone by the time we draft...
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Starting last season, we started seeing a lot of 4-2-5 from Dallas. Its almost our base D now. In fact, we play out of it a lot.

4-2-5 off man/press and/or zone/man combos.

Thats pretty much it.

The odd blitz about 2-3 times a game.

BBDB.
 
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Zordon said:
Don't look up stats, what do your eyes tell you?

If not, should Jerry remain patient or be aggressive and make a trade(s)?

I'm looking for opinions from posters that actually watch football around the league and know what's waiting for us in the playoffs.
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Yes. This is a Super Bowl D.

Our opponents are constantly in 3rd and longs. It may be the most efficient D in the league.

Obviously, we all want to see more sacks and int's. It is my opinion that we will see that happening soon.

For what it's worth this D has allowed less scoring than the first 3 games of the 92 SB season.
 
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Zordon said:
Don't look up stats, what do your eyes tell you?

If not, should Jerry remain patient or be aggressive and make a trade(s)?

I'm looking for opinions from posters that actually watch football around the league and know what's waiting for us in the playoffs.
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We just finished with week 3, there is NO telling how this defense will get better or regress. We have not had a team that could challenge us thus far in the season. Your talking about being aggressive and making trades NEXT SEASON. Why not wait until we play some teams that have some fire power on offense before we can determine how well this defense can play. Tough game next week in NO, then the GB the following week, in NE soon enough, that will tell us what this defense is made of!
 

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LACowboysFan1 said:
No problem, all I will say is there's more than one way to skin a cat, or run a 4-3. Just because other teams had a bigger guy in the middle then it doesn't mean you can't win titles with guys who aren't 325 lbs or so.

But it's apparent the Cowboys aren't going to have that guy, so we'll see if we can muddle along with 308 and 313 lb'ers...
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Has nothing to do w/ size, it's the ability to anchor. I can't think of even one super bowl winner w/o a plugger in the middle. Belly generally has a couple of them. If this way works, find a model of success w/ it.
 
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Here is what i worry about !

Let's say for the sake of argument its Dallas Vs Pats

What are the chances Kellen Moore can outscheme Belichek ? didn't work out to well for McVay last year this is what i worry about more !
 
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LACowboysFan1 said:
Currently Dallas is 15th in defense, despite playing weak teams. That's gotta improve...
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Marinelli values points over yards.

He'll give up a 90 yard drive if it ends in a FG by the other team.

He doesn't care about yards.
 
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Hot_Toddy said:
Yes. This is a Super Bowl D.

Our opponents are constantly in 3rd and longs. It may be the most efficient D in the league.

Obviously, we all want to see more sacks and int's. It is my opinion that we will see that happening soon.

For what it's worth this D has allowed less scoring than the first 3 games of the 92 SB season.
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First 3 games of that season the Cowboy's opponents finished with a combined record of 19-29, or 65%, Cowboys opponents so far are 1-7, or 14%. Remains to be seen how their opponents will finish this year, but to this point the points against stat is not worth much...
 

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DuncanIso said:
Marinelli values points over yards.

He'll give up a 90 yard drive if it ends in a FG by the other team.

He doesn't care about yards.
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That's why we lose in the playoffs. That philosophy won't work against good teams w/ any consistency.
 
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