It looks very clear to me that the ball doesn't slip until after his elbow hits. His hands are moving with the ball until that point, which means he still had control of it. You can see the nose of the ball doesn't move in his hand.I'll post this in the proper thread but not so sure about your statement. That's why I asked what the rule was. True he didn't lose grip until the ground, but he was certainly losing grip before the ground because the ball did turn.
It's not a matter of catching the ball, but not losing it before making ground contact. So to me it looks as if he had the ball in his hands until then. Even though his hands are moving.
By "turning", do you mean they were pulling it and his hands away from his body on the lengthwise axis of the ball? If that's what you mean, yes, they were. But the ball wasn't coming loose from his hands at that point.
It's my understanding that they consider loss of control when the ball is slipping in the players hands. The sudden release and collapse of Zeke's hands tells me that wasn't the case until after hitting the ground.
The best way I can explain my personal understanding is to imagine the ball is glued into his hands. When the glue breaks its hold on the ball to both hands, (when being held with 2 hands, of course) it's "slipping". If even one hand is still glued, it's under control.
Any of you's want to comment on this (especially the guy who ran his own stopwatch, lol)? I ran the video AND did a seconds count down to the tenth. Not sure if the NFL uses tenths of a second in counting down but this is what it'd look like if they did. As some alertly pointed out, we don't know if the actual seconds count on the clock was greater than 4.0 seconds. But for my video, let's assume it was 4.0 exactly. Keep in mind I started the clock on first movement of the ball, not as someone attempting to react in real time not knowing when the ball will be snapped exactly. People were right that it didn't take 2 seconds. It took like 2.9 seconds which would leave 1 second on the clock if timed like this and starting from exactly 4.0 seconds. If you want another reference, look at the Saints play clock to the right of the game clock on the graphic. It was running the entire time. The ball gets snapped at around 14 seconds and lands at around 11 seconds. Another 3 second timer. What of the CONSPIRACY! then?
What you can’t see is if his knee or hip was already down..I'll post this in the proper thread but not so sure about your statement. That's why I asked what the rule was. True he didn't lose grip until the ground, but he was certainly losing grip before the ground because the ball did turn.
The whole game the Saints got zebra help and I kept thinking that's ok we're going to start scoring sooner or later...
Rooked before halftime...People saying:
We had enough time to overcome that
We shouldn't have been in that situation
We go the lead back and surrendered it
blah blah blah
How about we enter the game with GB next week with them 7-0? We have a whole full game to make it up???
Fact is, it should not count. It is exactly as if both team are in the locker rooms at HT and the ref knock on our door and say
"Hey Boys, You are down by 3"
This game (counting game time) is 10-9 Cowboys
