Why not try the 70 yarder?

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I didn't understand why at 1:30 left in the game why Dak was even given the option to throw short and medium, only should have been throwing as deep as he can.

I hate 2 yard passes in 2 minute. The middle of the field dump off to Zeke ate 21 seconds, from 1:12 to 51.

We needed 60 yards for a FG. Had 72 seconds. Needed about a yard per second. A dump off in the middle of the field is not the way to get it.

And if you're going to dump off, I'd rather have Austin or Pollard. They are our best open field runners.
 

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They won, right? They scored more points than Buffalo, right? Did the Cowboys? What I said doesn't deserve the "Try again" BS.
It does because every single chance you guys get you bring up what the Pats do as if what works for them works for everyone else. You initially said you don’t see the Pats have problems scoring. Now you push the goal post back saying well they won. Yes they won. But that wasn’t initially your point.
 

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It does because every single chance you guys get you bring up what the Pats do as if what works for them works for everyone else. You initially said you don’t see the Pats have problems scoring. Now you push the goal post back saying well they won. Yes they won. But that wasn’t initially your point.
I'm afraid if the Cowboys can't score more than 10 points on NO, with the schedule they face, they're not winning enough to make the playoffs.
 

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Depends on Maher's range in practice. They can estimate his max range even when he's not kicking it from 70.

If he's over 10% from 70, I would have gone with the kick. I would bet that he is.
I’m inclined to agree. I wouldn’t do it with just anyone, but if they ever booted it 70 yards even once in practice, I’d send him out. People here are kidding themselves if they think they are ever going to throw a flag on an end zone jump ball.
 

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I realize how unlikely it was.

But we've seen two weeks in a row that Dak can't throw a ball 55 yards into the end zone. Came up woefully short both times.

So why not see if Maher can catch a line drive perfectly flush indoors?

To me, it's the most likely unlikely option there.

I saw an interview with KC's kicker. He believes the new field goal record will eventually be 80 to 85 yards, and he kicked some that long in practice. So, I'm with you. A 70-yarder is possible. Another option would have been a Cal/Stanford super lateral play. It's low percentage, but it's possible to work.
 

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Only a stupid player or team would attempt to block a kick from a kicker trying a 70-yard field goal. And last time I checked, the Saints don't have any Leon Letts on their squad. ;)

I meant roughing on the Hail Mary Tyke. The DB hit him in the ribs and it was close
 

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There are several things that can work in your favor when you throw the Hail Mary. First, you could complete the pass, which is unlikely but could happen. Second, you could get the PI. As many have pointed out, they've "never" seen a PI called on a Hail Mary... but, this year, we have booth review of PI. I guarantee you, at some point this season, we will see a PI call made on a challenged Hail Mary when it is especially egregious. It just has to happen now that these calls can be reviewed. Third, you could benefit from some other kind of penalty, such as a roughing the passer, which I think we were very close to getting in this particular case.

Now, let's look at the 70 yard field goal. You can find YouTube videos of guys making 70+ yarders in ideal situations with no snap, hold or rush. Heck, you can find video of Justin Tucker making 70 and 75 yarders. People have said he hit the crossbar on an 85 yarder at the Pro Bowl. Yet his career long, when a snap, a hold, and linemen to kick over are factored in, is 61 yards. It's just not a responsible coaching decision under any circumstances.

Any special teams coach will know his kicker's functional range. I coach special teams at the high school level, and while my kickers have nowhere near the range of an NFL kicker, similar principles apply. My two kickers can both make 55 yarders fairly regularly under ideal circumstances using a holder with no snap or linemen involved. But once you move them back to 60 yards, they miss every time... and not just by a yard or two but often wildly because the mechanics have to change once you exceed your range.
 

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There are several things that can work in your favor when you throw the Hail Mary. First, you could complete the pass, which is unlikely but could happen. Second, you could get the PI. As many have pointed out, they've "never" seen a PI called on a Hail Mary... but, this year, we have booth review of PI. I guarantee you, at some point this season, we will see a PI call made on a challenged Hail Mary when it is especially egregious. It just has to happen now that these calls can be reviewed. Third, you could benefit from some other kind of penalty, such as a roughing the passer, which I think we were very close to getting in this particular case.

Now, let's look at the 70 yard field goal. You can find YouTube videos of guys making 70+ yarders in ideal situations with no snap, hold or rush. Heck, you can find video of Justin Tucker making 70 and 75 yarders. People have said he hit the crossbar on an 85 yarder at the Pro Bowl. Yet his career long, when a snap, a hold, and linemen to kick over are factored in, is 61 yards. It's just not a responsible coaching decision under any circumstances.

Any special teams coach will know his kicker's functional range. I coach special teams at the high school level, and while my kickers have nowhere near the range of an NFL kicker, similar principles apply. My two kickers can both make 55 yarders fairly regularly under ideal circumstances using a holder with no snap or linemen involved. But once you move them back to 60 yards, they miss every time... and not just by a yard or two but often wildly because the mechanics have to change once you exceed your range.

You routinely see kickers make 55 yarder and hit the net pretty high.

I have bi doubt there have been multiple field goals made that would have been good from 70 yards.

Dak has a less than ideal arm to throw 60 yards, and that's assuming they can protect long enough to get the receivers down there, which they couldn't.
 

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There are several things that can work in your favor when you throw the Hail Mary. First, you could complete the pass, which is unlikely but could happen. Second, you could get the PI. As many have pointed out, they've "never" seen a PI called on a Hail Mary... but, this year, we have booth review of PI. I guarantee you, at some point this season, we will see a PI call made on a challenged Hail Mary when it is especially egregious. It just has to happen now that these calls can be reviewed. Third, you could benefit from some other kind of penalty, such as a roughing the passer, which I think we were very close to getting in this particular case.

Now, let's look at the 70 yard field goal. You can find YouTube videos of guys making 70+ yarders in ideal situations with no snap, hold or rush. Heck, you can find video of Justin Tucker making 70 and 75 yarders. People have said he hit the crossbar on an 85 yarder at the Pro Bowl. Yet his career long, when a snap, a hold, and linemen to kick over are factored in, is 61 yards. It's just not a responsible coaching decision under any circumstances.

Any special teams coach will know his kicker's functional range. I coach special teams at the high school level, and while my kickers have nowhere near the range of an NFL kicker, similar principles apply. My two kickers can both make 55 yarders fairly regularly under ideal circumstances using a holder with no snap or linemen involved. But once you move them back to 60 yards, they miss every time... and not just by a yard or two but often wildly because the mechanics have to change once you exceed your range.

I hit a 70yd FG in practice once...w/ hell bent wind...no rush...kicking like Tom Dempsey. It was a thing of beauty. W/ a semi flat football. I probably could have tried that 1000 times...and maybe would have made 10....but In a situation like that...it only takes one kick...It's a punchers chance....just like a hail mary. And now knowing Prescott tops out around 55 yards...I think I'm taking my chance w/ the kicker.
 

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I like the FG idea.

Likely that the Saints dont try to block it for fear of a 15yd penalty for running into the kicker.

Strange things tend to happen when missed FGs land on the field of play - on a 70yd FG is more likely to drop short than succeed. Most players dont know the rules. Good chance a Saint touches it to make it live.
 

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Better question why not screen with the whole oline pulling to block down field for zeke??

they had 5 rushing the passer meaning if they get down field they have the numbers game
 
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