Garrett Got Outcoached

CowboysFaninHouston · Oct 1, 2019

ConstantReboot said:
So who is to blame? Oh certainly not the head coach. He is beyond blame for anything regarding a lost.

no, you are trying to spin things...if he is responsible for the loss (which he is), then he also should be credited with the wins (which people haven't done).

StarMan2112 · Oct 1, 2019

Bottom line: The game plan sucked.

Dumb logic, but I think we let the fact that Teddy Bridgewater was their QB affect our offensive game plan.

I bet we would’ve opened up the playbook more had Brees been playing.

Hawkeye19 · Oct 1, 2019

ConstantReboot said:
Why make excuses for Garrett? Isn't he the head coach? Maybe we should just blame the peanuts vendor or the janitor. It's never Garrett's fault it seems. No not at all.

When did I make excuses for him? Just saying that fans should be consistent with assigning credit/blame. If he gets 100% blame for every loss, well, when we win then he should get 100% of the credit.

But that is not what happens. When we win— it is the “talent on the roster” winning despite Garrett or we “beat a weak team” because Garrett never beats any “real competition”.

It’s too simple to trash Garrett every time something goes wrong and we lose a game. He is not the best coach in the NFL, and he is not the worst.

For the record— I would have fired Garrett after we lost to Philly 44-6 in 2008. However, the Jones decided to stay with him, and so I try and remain objective in analyzing the issues on the team every year.

JMech · Oct 1, 2019

Hawkeye19 said:
When did I make excuses for him? Just saying that fans should be consistent with assigning credit/blame. If he gets 100% blame for every loss, well, when we win then he should get 100% of the credit.

But that is not what happens. When we win— it is the “talent on the roster” winning despite Garrett or we “beat a weak team” because Garrett never beats any “real competition”.

It’s too simple to trash Garrett every time something goes wrong and we lose a game. He is not the best coach in the NFL, and he is not the worst.

For the record— I would have fired Garrett after we lost to Philly 44-6 in 2008. However, the Jones decided to stay with him, and so I try and remain objective in analyzing the issues on the team every year.

With the talent on this team (that he has had the luxury of possessing for some time), his role is to motivate and have the team ready. Its not about Xs and Os at this level. I had the opportunity to listen to Lou Holtz as an after dinner speaker recently. He gave me tremendous insight into what the HC does. He related the stories from his legendary career and stated it wasn't about the talent or the facilities. It was about having those guys ready to play with and for one another. He supported that with example after example. It made me realize what the role of the HC truly is and what the motivator can do. Think Jimmy J and his motivational influence on the team.

Garrett has never been able to get that job done because I can see he has no friggin idea what his role truly is. I think that the mindset on this forum is that when they win, the superior talent gets it done with or without Garrett. The glaring examples of simply not having a team prepared for a game continue to haunt this team and this last weekend was just another example in the growing list of his failures. I repeat.........Garrett's failures. You could not look at that team and see a team prepared for a game.

So Yes, I think you can blame him for failures but offer him little in the way of granting him accolades for success. He has not shown the ability to lead a team to success consistently and at a high level.

I agree, he should have been fired a long time ago.

Sydla · Oct 1, 2019

I am curious. Are there any current or former coaches in this thread?

Hawkeye19 · Oct 1, 2019

JMech said:
With the talent on this team (that he has had the luxury of possessing for some time), his role is to motivate and have the team ready. Its not about Xs and Os at this level. I had the opportunity to listen to Lou Holtz as an after dinner speaker recently. He gave me tremendous insight into what the HC does. He related the stories from his legendary career and stated it wasn't about the talent or the facilities. It was about having those guys ready to play with and for one another. He supported that with example after example. It made me realize what the role of the HC truly is and what the motivator can do. Think Jimmy J and his motivational influence on the team.

Garrett has never been able to get that job done because I can see he has no friggin idea what his role truly is. I think that the mindset on this forum is that when they win, the superior talent gets it done with or without Garrett. The glaring examples of simply not having a team prepared for a game continue to haunt this team and this last weekend was just another example in the growing list of his failures. I repeat.........Garrett's failures. You could not look at that team and see a team prepared for a game.

So Yes, I think you can blame him for failures but offer him little in the way of granting him accolades for success. He has not shown the ability to lead a team to success consistently and at a high level.

I agree, he should have been fired a long time ago.

Same teams, head coaches, and similar rosters last year... we were at home and beat the Saints.

Did he have them prepared that game?

CowboysFaninHouston · Oct 1, 2019

JMech said:
With the talent on this team (that he has had the luxury of possessing for some time), his role is to motivate and have the team ready. Its not about Xs and Os at this level. I had the opportunity to listen to Lou Holtz as an after dinner speaker recently. He gave me tremendous insight into what the HC does. He related the stories from his legendary career and stated it wasn't about the talent or the facilities. It was about having those guys ready to play with and for one another. He supported that with example after example. It made me realize what the role of the HC truly is and what the motivator can do. Think Jimmy J and his motivational influence on the team.

Garrett has never been able to get that job done because I can see he has no friggin idea what his role truly is. I think that the mindset on this forum is that when they win, the superior talent gets it done with or without Garrett. The glaring examples of simply not having a team prepared for a game continue to haunt this team and this last weekend was just another example in the growing list of his failures. I repeat.........Garrett's failures. You could not look at that team and see a team prepared for a game.

So Yes, I think you can blame him for failures but offer him little in the way of granting him accolades for success. He has not shown the ability to lead a team to success consistently and at a high level.

I agree, he should have been fired a long time ago.

anytime we lose, the fans scream that the team wasn't ready. so expectations are we should go 16-0....is that reasonable? we lost a close game, on the road to a good team.

and last year we beat this same team at home in a close game, yet garrett didn't get credit...

sounds like double standard.

btw, one of garrett's traits, even from his detractors is that his team play hard for him and never quit and he always has the locker room.

sean10mm · Oct 1, 2019

I don't know WHY the Cowboys abandoned the offensive approach that had worked the last 3 weeks and reverted to running on every 1st down and hardly using play action, but it was incredibly stupid. Call plays like 2017, eat it like 2017.

CowboysFaninHouston said:
btw, one of garrett's traits, even from his detractors is that his team play hard for him and never quit and he always has the locker room.

"Don't provoke a mutiny" is the absolute lowest bar for a head coach. Giving Garrett credit for that is like giving McDonald's credit for not giving you a deep fried rat with your McNuggets.

OmerV · Oct 1, 2019

Shane612 said:
For good part of the second, the cowboys defense kept giving up 5, 6, 7 yards on first down. Hard to win games that way.

They only gave up 12 points, so defense wasn't the problem.

OmerV · Oct 1, 2019

sean10mm said:
"Don't provoke a mutiny" is the absolute lowest bar for a head coach. Giving Garrett credit for that is like giving McDonald's credit for not giving you a deep fried rat with your McNuggets.

"Don't provoke a mutiny" is a long way from what he said.

Romo_To_Dez · Oct 1, 2019

This is so irritating to know.

acr731 · Oct 1, 2019

sean10mm said:
"Don't provoke a mutiny" is the absolute lowest bar for a head coach. Giving Garrett credit for that is like giving McDonald's credit for not giving you a deep fried rat with your McNuggets.

I don't think the players play any harder for Garrett than they would for any other coach. They're professionals and that's what is expected of them. Some just want to throw out meaningless crap like that to support keeping Garrett around.

OmerV · Oct 1, 2019

Romo_To_Dez said:
This is so irritating to know.

This guy is just stating an opinion like all of us here. In the end, I think the Saints committed to the front 7 applying as much pressure as possible, and we didn't handle it well.

Sydla · Oct 1, 2019

OmerV said:
This guy is just stating an opinion like all of us here. In the end, I think the Saints committed to the front 7 applying as much pressure as possible, and we didn't handle it well.

The stats, if accurate, seem to bear it out though. Less play action than any game this year. Less throws on first down.

I don't think the offensive coaching staff had a very good game.

blueblood70 · Oct 1, 2019

ConstantReboot said:
Calling plays for Garrett's playbook. Thus Moore is neutered from calling the plays that will win games.

Garrett got outcoached. Him playing it conservative once again lost us this game.

BUT BUT BUT BUT the first 3 games all we heard was Moore was genius and this offense was unstaoppable and see it with your eyes it was not just because iof the weak comoattion..

I said pump the brakes after all 3 games...the real tests were ahead..

Test 1=Failed

it was a team loss really..it wasn't garett or Moores fault Witten fumbled, refs called a zeke fumble when all angles and replay it was clear it was NOT fumble, Dak off on 3 throws to cobb, Oline terrible run blocking and zeke didnt overcome it, D allowing so many short 3rd down conversions meaning th have up to much on 1st and 2nd down, letting Kamra break tackles, oh and all the odd ball OPI on Amari ,and lastly a Backup QB hitting the needed plays at the right time..

like ive said many times over its not always the coach if the layers just self destruct and dont execute..in a 2point loss there were so many mistakes its an easy win if we only committ half of them..

Bad game all around..

regroup take breath and beat GB! never good to have loss but after a loss like this it will serve as an early season wake up call, dump out the koolaid and refocus..headlines gone..go earn the accolades against better teams down the stretch..

no need to panic, you need remineder to as why? we street 3-5 won the divsion and made it to the 2nd round of playoffs....Hopefully lots learned from this and maybe Pollard and Gallup help the offense score more..

ufcrules1 · Oct 1, 2019

willia451 said:
. When they are challenged in big games by good coaches they lose more often than not.

Exactly right. You are only as good as your weakest link. JG is our weakest link.

CowboysFaninHouston · Oct 1, 2019

sean10mm said:
I don't know WHY the Cowboys abandoned the offensive approach that had worked the last 3 weeks and reverted to running on every 1st down and hardly using play action, but it was incredibly stupid. Call plays like 2017, eat it like 2017.

"Don't provoke a mutiny" is the absolute lowest bar for a head coach. Giving Garrett credit for that is like giving McDonald's credit for not giving you a deep fried rat with your McNuggets.

Shane612 · Oct 1, 2019

OmerV said:
They only gave up 12 points, so defense wasn't the problem.

Yeah, but NO ate up the clock. That accounts for something.
:omg:

OmerV · Oct 1, 2019

Sydla said:
The stats, if accurate, seem to bear it out though. Less play action than any game this year. Less throws on first down.

I don't think the offensive coaching staff had a very good game.

I think the stats bear out that we got conservative, save a few plays here and there like the downfield throws to the TEs, but I don't necessarily think that was the plan all along. Obviously this is just an opinion, but I think that was the adjustment when the Saints started getting pressure on Dak - they were going for the quick passes to get the ball out of his hands. Unfortunately I don't think either the coaches or the players adjusted very well.

I agree completely the offensive coaching staff did not have a very good game. I'm hoping it's an experience our young OC will learn from.

Point-of-the-Star · Oct 1, 2019

Let's get to the nut cutting. I've heard all the talk about Dallas' multi dimensional offense all year. Payton had it simple. Shut down Cooper and Zeke … who else is gonna beat you. Simple answer ……………….. nobody. There is nobody else when line up when we play plain jane football..

Let me add this too. There is the possibility, as in any chess match, that we see these fools again. Maybe we can take the gloves off then and do the things we never tried, like screens, more play action. I agree that Gallup not playing hurt us too.

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