News: Let's put this myth JG forced Kellen hand Sunday night to bed

TheMarathonContinues

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The Saint’s game plan was to stop Zeke and force Dak to beat them passes. Moore or Dak couldn’t overcome it and it was an embarrassing loss.
So basically the gameplan to beat them was the same gameplan its always been lol. Its not something new that teams want to lose with Dak passing on them. The problem was the fact this offense could get nothing going. You think the Saints wrote in their game gameplan to make Witten and Zeke fumble?
 

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How goofy do you have to be to believe the good games are all Moore and the bad ones all Garrett in the first place? I mean, really.
This is the land of the goofy lol. For some posters on this site I wonder how they even remember to breathe.
 

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Personally, I can't put anything to bed, and Kellen talking about the process is just another example of him parroting red ball's stale message. Kellen is lucky to be in the position he is in and I'm sure Garrett has no issue making sure he knows that! I know Kellen will take his lumps and is learning on the job, but if you don't think that Garrett has allowed Moore to take off the training wheels than I would say you're crazy.... Red is coaching for his job, and he'll be damned if he lets boy wonder hurt his mission.
John---the good part...i believe Jerry after downing too many shots of blue label....ripped into red ball big time....that game would have been too frustrating to just let go....heads rolled..we will see if they now bounce back
 

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How goofy do you have to be to believe the good games are all Moore and the bad ones all Garrett in the first place? I mean, really.

It’s not goofy at all. He brought complex movement when it simply didn’t exist before. Amazing Garrett didn’t think of it in 9 years. So Moore gets credit for that. Wow some will just defend anything. But I’m sure everyone was quick to blame Linehan. I see a pattern!
 

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Ever thought that they tried to adjust and it just didn't work out? The OL was getting whipped on almost every play. What adjustment is there for that? If you can't run the ball against their front 4 and you can't throw the ball against their back 7.. it makes for a long day at the office. In those types of games, mistakes are paramount.. and we made the bigger mistakes in that game (fumbles, OPI and sack on the final drive) and that is why we lost.
Belly and Brady could only put up 13 points vs the Rams in the super bowl. That loses you most games.
 

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How goofy do you have to be to believe the good games are all Moore and the bad ones all Garrett in the first place? I mean, really.

Some of us have been saying this all week but they're a very sensitive bunch.
 

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I understand where you're coming from and their is lots of logic to what you're saying, but there is one thing that I've been trying to get across and I don't think I have yet in other threads. On your point of everyone giving Moore credit the first three weeks and now giving someone else the blame when he loses is quite explainable. I've said before that this is the first game where a true test presented itself to our offense and this is where Garrett is notorious of playing it safe and trying to keep it close. I feel like by looking at the play selection and the fact we we're paying a defense that doesn't allow stud backs to excel, the strategy could easily be exposed as Garrett stepping in and forcing his gameplan... I mean, we can all admit to that is what it looked like right? Sure the oline wasn't at it's best but we kept forcing the run between the tackles and lacked creativity! Linehan is gone now and it looked like linehan haunted the playbook. Or, was it really Garrett's carrotprints all over the gameplan?


Again you haven't been paying attention or listening to your Cowboys staff. Moore told you that this offense was going to be still a heavy run base offense. He told you the plays won't change much, he told you the philosophy was going to be the same. You'll just won't listen.
 

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Jason sucks!! Or does he? Hmmm?
He would struggle to coach PeeWee football.
Unless he took his coordinators his team would be pathetic.
He'd probably be under .500 for the season.
 

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If sensitive means possumheaded I agree.

By sensitive I mean that I can ask a question to one poster and have a different one respond. Only to have him say that he felt like he was under "attack" after he started a debate with me. :facepalm:

All I see here is..."it looked like...seemed like...smelled like...felt like..has the fingerprints of Garrett."

Moore gets all the credit for wins when the offense looks great but no blame at all when it stinks. They can't have it both ways.

P.S. Go Astros!
 

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I understand where you're coming from and their is lots of logic to what you're saying, but there is one thing that I've been trying to get across and I don't think I have yet in other threads. On your point of everyone giving Moore credit the first three weeks and now giving someone else the blame when he loses is quite explainable. I've said before that this is the first game where a true test presented itself to our offense and this is where Garrett is notorious of playing it safe and trying to keep it close. I feel like by looking at the play selection and the fact we we're paying a defense that doesn't allow stud backs to excel, the strategy could easily be exposed as Garrett stepping in and forcing his gameplan... I mean, we can all admit to that is what it looked like right? Sure the oline wasn't at it's best but we kept forcing the run between the tackles and lacked creativity! Linehan is gone now and it looked like linehan haunted the playbook. Or, was it really Garrett's carrotprints all over the gameplan?

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...-oc-wants-to-present-things-in-different-ways
 

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He would struggle to coach PeeWee football.
Unless he took his coordinators his team would be pathetic.
He'd probably be under .500 for the season.

The Vikings fan has made his way to this board....lol is that paint still drying...lol
 

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The Saint’s game plan was to stop Zeke and force Dak to beat them passes. Moore or Dak couldn’t overcome it and it was an embarrassing loss.
And you enjoyed every minute of it.
 

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How goofy do you have to be to believe the good games are all Moore and the bad ones all Garrett in the first place? I mean, really.
And the good ones are all the offensive line and the bad ones are all Dak.
 

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Garrett has made his million by being wearing strings and telling players to just go be better than the other team. Garrett doesn't demand greatness from the O or the D coordinator; he doesn't demand (or command) anything. That's not his job here.
 

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Garrett has made his million by being wearing strings and telling players to just go be better than the other team. Garrett doesn't demand greatness from the O or the D coordinator; he doesn't demand (or command) anything. That's not his job here.

Lol...where is that LINK?
 

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That LINK has been up for 9 years running. If you haven't seen it by now...can't help ya.

Remember when Garrett said Linehan wasn’t going anywhere? Then Jerry scolded him and we saw how that ended? lol people conveniently forget that crap when they tell you how awesome he is?! Weird!! The defense of him is laughable after a decade of it!
 

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Ever thought that they tried to adjust and it just didn't work out? The OL was getting whipped on almost every play. What adjustment is there for that? If you can't run the ball against their front 4 and you can't throw the ball against their back 7.. it makes for a long day at the office. In those types of games, mistakes are paramount.. and we made the bigger mistakes in that game (fumbles, OPI and sack on the final drive) and that is why we lost.

Reportedly, they were having far greater results throwing the ball than they were attempting to run it. For what it's worth, I was being sarcastic about the dust getting in their eyes, however. If what was reported was correct the obvious adjustment would have been to pass rather than to run. Let's just hope they respond differently if it occurs again, in any case.
 

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Remember when Garrett said Linehan wasn’t going anywhere? Then Jerry scolded him and we saw how that ended? lol people conveniently forget that crap when they tell you how awesome he is?! Weird!! The defense of him is laughable after a decade of it!

True, but there will be those who will defend him to the bitter end...which hopefully and mercifully will come at the end of the 2019 season.
 
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