The Great Zeke!

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Who needs a RB that needs everything perfect around him? LOL

This game proves that Zeke is average and should be paid like an average back.

Zeke needs a pro bowl Oline and Mahones at QB or he's average.

Pollard for 500k is the better option.

wrong on all points as usual, pollards DONE squat at this point to prove that and when he plays 3 full years at a high level without injury etc and somehow proves that, ill agree, until then he wasn't even a RB in HS, only part time RB/WR in college and NEVER carried the load , EVER..spot dutys easy until you have to prove yourself, ive seen many players have some great games and it made them a hot topic to take a starting spot too only fizzle out when they were the primary focus. Zekes proved he can play 16+games at high level and be standing at the end..

oh BTW too late for the contract talk on EE, he been paid, cant go backward, move on and settle in..Zekes here 3+ years or so ?

Once Daks paid most will fall into place on that as well but until then we can debate his monetary worth from a fans perspective.
 

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wrong on all points as usual, pollards DONE squat at this point to prove that and when he plays 3 full years at a high level without injury etc and somehow proves that, ill agree, until then he wasn't even a RB in HS, only part time RB/WR in college and NEVER carried the load , EVER..spot dutys easy until you have to prove yourself, ive seen many players have some great games and it made them a hot topic to take a starting spot too only fizzle out when they were the primary focus. Zekes proved he can play 16+games at high level and be standing at the end..

oh BTW too late for the contract talk on EE, he been paid, cant go backward, move on and settle in..Zekes here 3+ years or so ?

Once Daks paid most will fall into place on that as well but until then we can debate his monetary worth from a fans perspective.

I nailed everything. You just cant stand to hear it.
 

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The only man to get into the paint the last night in a hard fought battle, he's still the man, he'll have a big game against GB.
I would hope so. Current defensive rankings against the run...

Giants 19th
Washington 29th
Miami 32nd
New Orleans 20th
Green Bay 26th

Zeke has “feasted” off some of the worst defenses in the league and sucked hind tit against New Orleans who is 12th worst overall. I’m sure he’ll have a great game against GB and all his supporters will say “told ya so” without mentioning how GB is in the bottom 6 of the league. Then when when we have big game or a good defense to face he’ll disappear. That’s not someone who deserves to be paid top RB money.
 

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He's not 'supposed to be' and amazing route runner, he IS an amazing route runner. He's also injured. One doesn't have an MRI just for kicks, and just because it was negative for a season threatening injury doesn't mean he isn't hurt.

Many promising seasons for many teams have been derailed by injury. Let's hope that doesn't happen to us.

Amazing route running when he's going up against uber driver corners consistently in games.
 

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I nailed everything. You just cant stand to hear it.

Going Back to the original post!

Thread Title: The Great Zeke!

Yes, you nailed this one. Two time NFL Rushing Champion!

So here is the guy that the offense is supposed to run through. Here is the guy that we couldnt live without. Here is the guy that Dak couldnt function without. The unstoppable "best RB in the NFL".

Yes, see above and then add in Two time Pro-Bowl.


Im just wondering when he is going to show up.

He already did: Weeks 2 and 3 100+ Rushing Yards. Is that average enough? In this last game he had more combined yards than anyone on the team!

First 3 games was all Dak and the passing game. 4th game they put it in Zeke's hands and he folded up like a cheap suit. Worst game of his life.

It was the least amount of carries he had all year. So how was this put in his hands? It wasn't the worst game of his life He had 9 yards vs Denver.

Is this the guy that is going to lead us to a championship?
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It sure makes it easier. I think that's how it works in the NFL


We should have let him rot in Cabo. This team needs a run stuffing DT and a ball hawking safety.

This above quote is up for debate. i.e. Cabo/DT/Safety

Those darn facts get in the way of opinion! I suppose you have a nail there that keeps popping back up. I'll keep hammering it in::hammer:
 

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I would hope so. Current defensive rankings against the run...

Giants 19th
Washington 29th
Miami 32nd
New Orleans 20th
Green Bay 26th

Zeke has “feasted” off some of the worst defenses in the league and sucked hind tit against New Orleans who is 12th worst overall. I’m sure he’ll have a great game against GB and all his supporters will say “told ya so” without mentioning how GB is in the bottom 6 of the league. Then when when we have big game or a good defense to face he’ll disappear. That’s not someone who deserves to be paid top RB money.

Where's my Aikman Efficiency Ratings when I need them.

Oh well, 2x Rushing Champ tosses this out the window. Unless Zeke only played bad Defenses for his entire career? hmm
 

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Where's my Aikman Efficiency Ratings when I need them.

Oh well, 2x Rushing Champ tosses this out the window. Unless Zeke only played bad Defenses for his entire career? hmm
Two time rushing champ because he carried the ball more than any other back, had arguably the best O line in the league his rookie year and top 5 rushing last year. One rushing champion has been on a Super Bowl winning team in the past 20+ years so that throws one of the most meaningless RB stats (total yards) out the window.
 

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Two time rushing champ because he carried the ball more than any other back. One rushing champion has been on a Super Bowl winning team in the past 20+ years so that throws one of the most meaningless RB stats (total yards) out the window.

OK you can throw out the total yards out the window if you want.

I'll go by career YPC and efficiency. Zeke still has converted 100% of all his 3rd down attempts into 1st downs this year. The best in the league so far. Absolute Perfection!
 

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OK you can throw out the total yards out the window if you want.

I'll go by career YPC and efficiency. Zeke still has converted 100% of all his 3rd down attempts into 1st downs this year. The best in the league so far. Absolute Perfection!

THIS! That's why you get a bell cow, to let him carry the d-- rock. Because he had more carries shows his durability. WOW!
 

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THIS! That's why you get a bell cow, to let him carry the d-- rock. Because he had more carries shows his durability. WOW!

Yet. In the last game we went against this strength. vs. N.O. we didn't hand the ball off to Zeke on 3rd down one single time! Even on 3rd and 2 etc We passed it. Only once in that game on 4th down did we give it to Zeke. He got the first . But then there was that fumble that wasn't a fumble.

We have to stick with what works.
 

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OK you can throw out the total yards out the window if you want.

I'll go by career YPC and efficiency. Zeke still has converted 100% of all his 3rd down attempts into 1st downs this year. The best in the league so far. Absolute Perfection!
Lol, you might want to check your source or you’re trolling. Zeke is 8th in total yards and there are several RB’s with higher ypc and similar rushing attempts. He’s nowhere close to the best. He’s also played the easiest schedule of any other team and against some of the worst run defenses.

We can go back to last year, ya know, one of the years he won the rushing title. Let tell me the categories he did lead in...carries, total yards and 2nd in fumbles by a wide margin.

Now let me tell you about some of the categories he didn’t lead in nor come close in some of them. Broken tackles, yards after contact, runs of 10 yards or more, and yards per carry. That’s off the top of my head but I’m sure there’s more. That was also with one of the better run blocking units in the league contrary to what some people say in order to defend him.
 

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Dalvin Cook, Tony Pollard, Christian McAffrey, Saquon Barkley, Nick Chubb, David Johnson, just a few backs I would take over Zeke without blinking.
 

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Two time rushing champ because he carried the ball more than any other back, had arguably the best O line in the league his rookie year and top 5 rushing last year. One rushing champion has been on a Super Bowl winning team in the past 20+ years so that throws one of the most meaningless RB stats (total yards) out the window.
He helped us win games, what's wrong with the workload and having a good O line? Which, by the way the O line wasn't exactly consistently stellar.
Anyone who doesn't respect the significance of yardage is an idiot.
 

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He helped us win games, what's wrong with the workload and having a good O line? Which, by the way the O line wasn't exactly consistently stellar.
Anyone who doesn't respect the significance of yardage is an idiot.

Anyone who can't see his rushing stats in 2016-2018 were padded by an OC who funneled the ball into his hands needs to pay better attention.
 

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Anyone who can't see his rushing stats in 2016-2018 were padded by an OC who funneled the ball into his hands needs to pay better attention.
Ok bud, whatever you say.

Lmao, good lord.
 

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Ok bud, whatever you say.

Lmao, good lord.

Still remember how so many of you Zeke fans told me he would still be special once he got paid. To me, he hasn't been special since 2016. 7th in rushing and 8th in total yards to me is not a $108 million player. Zeke who, indeed.
 

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He helped us win games, what's wrong with the workload and having a good O line? Which, by the way the O line wasn't exactly consistently stellar.
Anyone who doesn't respect the significance of yardage is an idiot.
I thought you were done responding to me?

You’re going to find out what’s wrong with the workload. Anyone who says they can’t already see a pretty significant difference between his rookie year and now is either lying or not watching. This durability is just a myth, luckily he hasn’t got hurt but a lot of that is just luck. If he was so durable he wouldn’t be slowing down at such a fast rate and his stats prove that he has. He’s had less and less long runs, his broken tackles have decreased and he visibly looks slower and makes less people miss.

Nothing is wrong with having a good line but it’s ridiculous not to take that into consideration when comparing him and his stats to other top RB’s. He has a bad game against New Orleans and all I hear about is how it was the O lines fault yet the same people tell me how much better Zeke is than Barkley and never mention how Barkley had one of the worst O lines in the league for the first half of the season and one that was still significantly worse than ours by the end of the season.

If the O line has to play at a Pro Bowl level every time for Zeke to have a good game then why did we pay him that much money? It’s been proven time and time again you don’t need the leagues leading rusher to win championships if you have a good O line. Not to mention, RB’s like Sanders and Barkley were putting up similar stats with inferior O lines, those would be the guys you would pay if you’re going to pay a RB top money not a guy who can’t be a difference maker unless the O line is dominant.

And durability? Who cares? Pollard had over a 100 yards, just like Zeke, against Miami and there’s no doubt in my mind he would have had just as good, if not better, stats against New Orleans (probably wouldn’t have fumbled either). If people are so concerned he couldn’t handle the workload they could have drafted another back or pick a cheap one on a one or two year contract (like the Eagles did with Ajayi and Rams did with Anderson). No need to pay an entitled diva top RB money when he can only produce if the O line is having a dominant to above average game.
 
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