I’m not going to blame officiating but

aria · Oct 7, 2019

jordan4vols said:
It wasn’t ridiculous. He was hit in the head. A point of emphasis with the qbs. You think if we hit Rodgers in the head they wouldn’t call it?

LOL. Wow, you’re going to defend that call? There’s no point in even arguing with someone who can’t take off their blue shades. IMOF, I should just put you on ignore now.

shabazz · Oct 7, 2019

aria said:
But you didn’t mention any of the calls we got away with, most notably the absolutely, most ridiculous roughing the passer penalty I’ve ever seen against Dak or any other QB that pretty much guaranteed us a TD.

There were several others, it went both ways.

Agree, there is enough inconsistencies by officiating to go all way around.

jordan4vols · Oct 7, 2019

aria said:
LOL. Wow, you’re going to defend that call? There’s no point in even arguing with someone who can’t take off their blue shades. IMOF, I should just put you on ignore now.

Maybe you don’t understand what the league has done with qbs. Here are the official rules

In covering the passer position, Referees will be particularly alert to fouls in which defenders impermissibly use the helmet and/or facemask to hit the passer, or use hands, arms, or other parts of the body to hit the passer forcibly in the head or neck area (see also the other unnecessary roughness rules covering these subjects).
When the passer goes outside the pocket area and either continues moving with the ball (without attempting to advance the ball as a runner) or throws while on the run, he loses the protection of the one-step rule provided for in (a) above, and the protection against a low hit provided for in (e) above, but he remains covered by all the other special protections afforded to a passer in the pocket (b, c, d, and f), as well as the regular unnecessary roughness rules applicable to all player positions. If the passer stops behind the line and clearly establishes a passing posture, he will then be covered by all of the special protections for passers

When in doubt about a roughness call or potentially dangerous tactic against the quarterback, the Referee should always call roughing the passer.

Runwildboys · Oct 7, 2019

Ranching said:
If we lose to the Jets, heads need to roll.

Starting with mine. We lose to the Jets, I'm building a guillotine.

Tabascocat · Oct 7, 2019

The Colts overcame worse officiating last night on the road in KC, enough with the excuses already. Dallas got taken to the woodshed through no fault but their own.

Runwildboys · Oct 7, 2019

jordan4vols said:
Maybe you don’t understand what the league has done with qbs. Here are the official rules

In covering the passer position, Referees will be particularly alert to fouls in which defenders impermissibly use the helmet and/or facemask to hit the passer, or use hands, arms, or other parts of the body to hit the passer forcibly in the head or neck area (see also the other unnecessary roughness rules covering these subjects).
When the passer goes outside the pocket area and either continues moving with the ball (without attempting to advance the ball as a runner) or throws while on the run, he loses the protection of the one-step rule provided for in (a) above, and the protection against a low hit provided for in (e) above, but he remains covered by all the other special protections afforded to a passer in the pocket (b, c, d, and f), as well as the regular unnecessary roughness rules applicable to all player positions. If the passer stops behind the line and clearly establishes a passing posture, he will then be covered by all of the special protections for passers

When in doubt about a roughness call or potentially dangerous tactic against the quarterback, the Referee should always call roughing the passer.

"Forcibly" being the key word. While I think it's possible the officials couldn't tell how hard the hit was, if it was a reviewable play, I think it would be overturned.

jordan4vols · Oct 7, 2019

Runwildboys said:
"Forcibly" being the key word. While I think it's possible the officials couldn't tell how hard the hit was, if it was a reviewable play, I think it would be overturned.

That’s fair. Right now it’s not reviewable though so I think it falls to the sub note that the ref is to err by calling the foul.

Playmaker3128 · Oct 7, 2019

We definitely didn't lose because of the officials. A 31-3 deficit makes things tough to overcome. However there is no denying they are terrible. After every play i look to the bottom right for a flag. Thats bad.

Again anyone ever notice why the SB isn't flagged heavily? Cause they know the game would be bad. The nfl's excuse is "its an all star crew". In reality the officials are instructed to not make the game unwatchable. Why every game can't be like that i have no idea.

gimmesix · Oct 7, 2019

acr731 said:
Hmmm, and yet the refs went out and basically handed Dallas two TD's in the second half with a flurry of calls against GB. I lost count. Maybe they did it to help Garrett calm down after his hissy fit.

The only illegitimate call I remember against Green Bay was when Dak got tapped in the head by a defensive lineman. Against us, there was the defensive PI call against Brown (shouldn't have been PI, but it was close so I can live with it not being overturned), the no-call on the Gallup play, the Packers receiver who didn't get both feet down, the hold by Heath, initially not ruling Cooper's catch a catch and forcing Garrett to challenge it.

There were a few more but I can't think of them at the moment. In a game against good teams, where you are already struggling some, you can't also afford to have the officials working against you even if it's simply because they suck.

I'm also not sure what constitutes taunting. Is a running back waving bye to a defender who can't catch him not considered taunting? I'm not a fan of the rule, but if you are going to have it, enforce it correctly.

visionary · Oct 7, 2019

Ranching said:
If we lose to the Jets, heads need to roll.

Heads should roll anyway but they won’t

Creeper · Oct 7, 2019

acr731 said:
Hmmm, and yet the refs went out and basically handed Dallas two TD's in the second half with a flurry of calls against GB. I lost count. Maybe they did it to help Garrett calm down after his hissy fit.

The refs gave both teams some breaks, or at least threw flags at opportune times for both teams. But the interference that should have been called against Gallup was a legitimate bad call. So was the holding on Tavon Austin, and the holding on Jeff Heath when it looked like then receiver fell down on his own. And what was with the GB RT jumping early like 5 times? Then again, the 15 yards penalty for a blow to the head to Dak was a bad call too.

There were too many penalties on both teams. Some were deserved but some were picky and should not have been called. The refs should not be a major part of any game. Period.

visionary · Oct 7, 2019

gimmesix said:
The only illegitimate call I remember against Green Bay was when Dak got tapped in the head by a defensive linemen. Against us, there was the defensive PI call against Brown (shouldn't have been PI, but it was close so I can live with it not being overturned), the no-call on the Gallup play, the Packers receiver who didn't get both feet down, the hold by Heath, initially not ruling Cooper's catch a catch and forcing Garrett to challenge it.

There were a few more but I can't think of them at the moment. In a game against good teams, where you are already struggling some, you can't also afford to have the officials working against you even if it's simply because they suck.

I'm also not sure what constitutes taunting. Is a running back waving bye to a defender who can't catch him not considered taunting? I'm not a fan of the rule, but if you are going to have it, enforce it correctly.

Not sure what you were watching but a defender who never looks back and makes contact early is text book for PI

gimmesix · Oct 7, 2019

visionary said:
Not sure what you were watching but a defender who never looks back and makes contact early is text book for PI

Are you talking about Brown's PI? I agree with the broadcasters and Mike Pereira that it was close and should not have been called. When you slowed it down on replay, Brown arrived a fraction ahead of the ball so there was no evidence for overturning the call. If they want to call that PI, though, they could do it throughout each and every game.

Longboysfan · Oct 7, 2019

jordan4vols said:
It’s really hard to see the disparity in calls and yards and then see plays where Jeff Heath gets called because a player trips but then we don’t get a call when everyone and their mother sees the Green Bay defender boxing Michael Gallup and that interception essentially sealed the win because then they’re up three scores.

That being said the refs didn’t cause a ball to bounce off Cooper and get picked or the offensive line to play like trash either. I’m not sure what needs to be done but we’re trending the wrong way.

I’m assuming we’ll beat the Jets. Big game following against the Eagles.

The referees were one sided till they got caught.
Then the calls went the Cowboys way.
Up till then referees help dig the Cowboys into a pit.

I was watching plays where Dak get's hit in the head - and this was multiple times.
If Rodgers gets hit the same way hit - flag city.
Green Bay players taunting multiple times. No flags.....

It also appeared - well it did not appear it's the truth - as the Cowboys hit a big play - a Green Bay player is on the turf.
Lets wait 5 minutes till he's all better..... Player returns no problem.
Cowboys momentum - killed.

NFL should ban this crew from doing any future Cowboys games.

jazzcat22 · Oct 7, 2019

Ranching said:
If we lose to the Jets, heads need to roll.

Unfortunately they won't.
I haven't listened to Jerry from after yesterdays embarrassment. But I am sure he had excuses.

speedkilz88 · Oct 7, 2019

Cowboys dug themselves in the hole, refs buried them.

gimmesix · Oct 7, 2019

jordan4vols said:
Maybe you don’t understand what the league has done with qbs. Here are the official rules

In covering the passer position, Referees will be particularly alert to fouls in which defenders impermissibly use the helmet and/or facemask to hit the passer, or use hands, arms, or other parts of the body to hit the passer forcibly in the head or neck area (see also the other unnecessary roughness rules covering these subjects).
When the passer goes outside the pocket area and either continues moving with the ball (without attempting to advance the ball as a runner) or throws while on the run, he loses the protection of the one-step rule provided for in (a) above, and the protection against a low hit provided for in (e) above, but he remains covered by all the other special protections afforded to a passer in the pocket (b, c, d, and f), as well as the regular unnecessary roughness rules applicable to all player positions. If the passer stops behind the line and clearly establishes a passing posture, he will then be covered by all of the special protections for passers

When in doubt about a roughness call or potentially dangerous tactic against the quarterback, the Referee should always call roughing the passer.

Forcibly is the key. I agree with the announcers that Dak was not struck forcibly in the head. However, although I don't believe it should have been called, like with the PI against Brown, I can understand why it was called.

The funny thing is, Dak was hit much harder in the head on a couple of other plays (at least one sack that I remember) and nothing was called. One of the Smith's practically tackled him by the helmet one time.

aria · Oct 7, 2019

jordan4vols said:
Maybe you don’t understand what the league has done with qbs. Here are the official rules

In covering the passer position, Referees will be particularly alert to fouls in which defenders impermissibly use the helmet and/or facemask to hit the passer, or use hands, arms, or other parts of the body to hit the passer forcibly in the head or neck area (see also the other unnecessary roughness rules covering these subjects).
When the passer goes outside the pocket area and either continues moving with the ball (without attempting to advance the ball as a runner) or throws while on the run, he loses the protection of the one-step rule provided for in (a) above, and the protection against a low hit provided for in (e) above, but he remains covered by all the other special protections afforded to a passer in the pocket (b, c, d, and f), as well as the regular unnecessary roughness rules applicable to all player positions. If the passer stops behind the line and clearly establishes a passing posture, he will then be covered by all of the special protections for passers

When in doubt about a roughness call or potentially dangerous tactic against the quarterback, the Referee should always call roughing the passer.

If that was called against us there would already be a 10 page thread about how it was bogus call meant to help the other team win. I doubt you would be supporting the call if that were the case.

visionary · Oct 7, 2019

gimmesix said:
Are you talking about Brown's PI? I agree with the broadcasters and Mike Pereira that it was close and should not have been called. When you slowed it down on replay, Brown arrived a fraction ahead of the ball so there was no evidence for overturning the call. If they want to call that PI, though, they could do it throughout each and every game.

Arrived early
Never looked back

That was a PI

If others were not called then they should have been but that was PI

gimmesix · Oct 7, 2019

visionary said:
Arrived early
Never looked back

That was a PI

If others were not called then they should have been but that was PI

I believe a non-call would have been more accurate. But again, Brown did arrive a fraction before the ball did so I can't argue that the PI was not accurate. Slow down most plays where the defender knocks away the pass, though, and you will see that he arrived slightly early. (You could have done this throughout Sunday's game.) In real time, it's just a bang-bang play.

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