Is there an issue with Amari Cooper?

Nav22 · Oct 7, 2019

Vandyr said:
Way to avoid the question. Why couldn't Dak lead the receiver, which is what a good quarterback under no pressure would have done. I mean, why make excuses?

To be clear, I'm not arguing that Cooper couldn't have caught it. I'm arguing that it's not all on him. An accurate throw in stride makes the odds of it getting dropped or tipped MUCH lower and most likely puts 7 on the board.

The pass wasn’t pin-point perfect, but it was good enough. What’s your point?

You have no basis for assuming a throw that hits Cooper in stride would’ve been caught. Him slowing down slightly didn’t decrease his chances of catching the ball whatsoever. He was still open and still got both hands on it. The defender had zero to do with the drop.

Yes, the drop was 100% on Cooper and he’d tell you the same. So would his coaches.

cwbyfn88 · Oct 7, 2019

WoodysGirl said:

yes Cooper should have caught that and yes Dak Prescott did not throw the ball accurately. With that much open space you lead a receiver into the catch. that said not every pass is going to be perfect and a great wide receiver makes that catch nine times out of 10. Unfortunately this one cost us.

dfense · Oct 7, 2019

Of all the things to complain about after that game. Cooper? Really? He WAS the offense.

cwbyfn88 · Oct 7, 2019

dfense said:
Of all the things to complain about after that game. Cooper? Really? He WAS the offense.

You have to absolve Dak of any blame in this version of the cowboys.

Vandyr · Oct 7, 2019

Nav22 said:
The pass wasn’t pin-point perfect, but it was good enough. What’s your point?

You have no basis for assuming a throw that hits Cooper in stride would’ve been caught. Him slowing down slightly didn’t decrease his chances of catching the ball whatsoever. He was still open and still got both hands on it. The defender had zero to do with the drop.

Yes, the drop was 100% on Cooper and he’d tell you the same. So would his coaches.

Obviously it wasn't good enough. Being behind him is why it got tipped in the first place. I also didn't "assume" a properly placed throw would be caught, I said it is much more likely that it's caught. Had the quarterback with no pressure and a clean pocket made an accurate throw and hit the receiver in stride, I wouldn't be having this argument with a homer.

Then again, you refuse to put any blame on Dak, even though accuracy issues have plagued him his entire pro career and even in colllege, as noted in his scouting reports.

MarcusRock · Oct 7, 2019

Streetwise said:
I'm not so worried about the drop as the turnover.

Prescott had 2 or 3 passes I noticed that were behind the WR. Might have been pressure or on the WR, but behind nonetheless.

On the first INT, there was no pressure. Dak had a rare clean pocket. You can't miss a window as huge as Cooper had created with his route running. Should have been a TD. On other pass behind the receiver I saw, there was tighter coverage and the throw behind the receiver allowed the DB into the play to break it up. Those are killers and you can't do that.

Nav22 · Oct 7, 2019

Vandyr said:
Obviously it wasn't good enough. Being behind him is why it got tipped in the first place. I also didn't "assume" a properly placed throw would be caught, I said it is much more likely that it's caught. Had the quarterback with no pressure and a clean pocket made an accurate throw and hit the receiver in stride, I wouldn't be having this argument with a homer.

Then again, you refuse to put any blame on Dak, even though accuracy issues have plagued him his entire pro career and even in colllege, as noted in his scouting reports.

You’re wrong but that’s okay.

It WAS an accurate throw. Hit his open WR in the hands. Great read, good-enough throw.

Again, you have zero basis for even saying that it’s more likely that it would’ve been caught had it hit Cooper in stride. Did you grow up playing football? Not to be a “I played in HS so I know my stuff!” kind of guy, but I was a WR and it makes zero difference. If you’re open and you’re able to get both hands on the ball, that should be an easy catch. It’s not like the ball was high or low, Cooper slowed down and the ball arrived RIGHT at his numbers.

LOL “accuracy has plagued him his whole career”, eh?

66.5% Comp rate, good for 3rd-best in NFL history.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/pass_cmp_perc_career.htm
:lmao2:

droopdog7 · Oct 7, 2019

I mean, as I recall, drops was the biggest issue that cooper came in with when the trade was made. I guess they weren't wrong.

Vandyr · Oct 7, 2019

Nav22 said:
You’re wrong but that’s okay.

It WAS an accurate throw. Hit his open WR in the hands. Great read, good-enough throw.

Again, you have zero basis for even saying that it’s more likely that it would’ve been caught had it hit Cooper in stride.

Are you high? I can't even believe I"m having this conversation. Can't facepalm enough

:facepalm:

khiladi · Oct 7, 2019

Cooper dropped balls with the Raiders. His positives far outweighs his negatives.

Nav22 · Oct 7, 2019

Vandyr said:
Are you high? I can't even believe I"m having this conversation. Can't facepalm enough

LOL yeah, you didn’t play football growing up. That’s clear.

This ain’t Madden, child.

When the ball hits you in the hands and on the numbers, you catch the ball. Period.

Vandyr · Oct 7, 2019

Nav22 said:
LOL yeah, you didn’t play football growing up. That’s clear.

This ain’t Madden, child.

When the ball hits you in the hands and on the numbers, you catch the ball. Period.

I agree, and you'd be right if Cooper's numbers were on the top of his shoulder. "Child"

Have another facepalm, homer :facepalm:

aikemirv · Oct 7, 2019

Nav22 said:
Pretty easy to spot a total clown who doesn’t know football when they blame Dak for the 1st INT.

“But the ball was slightly behind the Pro Bowl WR causing him to slow down slightly before getting both hands on the ball with plenty of space between him and the CB!!!”

What is slightly behind? I would guess a properly placed ball on that route would have been 3-4 yards ahead given full speed by Amari.

Should have caught it - no doubt - poor ball - yes.

Enough poor balls and you end up with this.

Nav22 · Oct 7, 2019

Vandyr said:
I agree, and you'd be right if Cooper's numbers were on the top of his shoulder. "Child"

Have another facepalm, homer

LOL you should really start watching more teams besides the Cowboys.

Might give you some better perspective on the sport. Who knows? You might come across as being a know-nothing idiot less frequently!

Nav22 · Oct 7, 2019

aikemirv said:
What is slightly behind? I would guess a properly placed ball on that route would have been 3-4 yards ahead given full speed by Amari.

Should have caught it - no doubt - poor ball - yes.

Enough poor balls and you end up with this.

Disagree. A “poor ball” is one that’s either uncatchable or VERY tough to catch, causing the WR to drastically extend himself.

Let’s imagine a world in which Cooper caught the pass.

Would you have said, “WOW, great catch by Cooper” afterwards? Or would the catch have been fully expected given how open Cooper was, and given that the ball hits him RIGHT in the hands?

That wasn’t pin-point accurate, but it was certainly accurate enough. Every single NFL WR would tell you that pass MUST be caught.

aikemirv · Oct 7, 2019

Nav22 said:
Disagree. A “poor ball” is one that’s either uncatchable or VERY tough to catch, causing the WR to drastically extend himself.

Let’s imagine a world in which Cooper caught the pass.

Would you have said, “WOW, great catch by Cooper” afterwards? Or would the catch have been fully expected given how open Cooper was, and given that the ball hits him RIGHT in the hands?

That wasn’t pin-point accurate, but it was certainly accurate enough. Every single NFL WR would tell you that pass MUST be caught.

Again, throw enough balls behind receivers and this is what you get! If you think within 3-4 yards is NFL caliber....

Amari's yards of separation was 3.3 yesterday - Dak just gives it away..That pass sucks if Amari does not have that separation!

Nav22 · Oct 7, 2019

aikemirv said:
Again, throw enough balls behind receivers and this is what you get! If you think within 3-4 yards is NFL caliber....

Amari's yards of separation was 3.3 yesterday - Dak just gives it away..That pass sucks if Amari does not have that separation!

LOL at your last sentence.

“That pass sucks if Dak didn’t properly read the defense and find the open receiver!”

Dak “gives it away”? The CB was completely out of the play, even with the ball being slightly behind Cooper. What game were you watching?

BobSacamano · Oct 7, 2019

Vandyr said:
Way to avoid the question. Why couldn't Dak lead the receiver, which is what a good quarterback under no pressure would have done. I mean, why make excuses? Cooper had his defender beat and the middle of the field was wide open.

To be clear, I'm not arguing that Cooper couldn't have caught it. I'm arguing that it's not all on him. An accurate throw in stride makes the odds of it getting dropped or tipped MUCH lower and most likely puts 7 on the board.

Plus if he leads Cooper just a bit; that's a TD and not a tackle. Don't have to worry about redzone inefficiency if the throw is on target and letting Coop get YAC.

Either/or. Cooper has to make that catch though.

aikemirv · Oct 7, 2019

Nav22 said:
LOL at your last sentence.

“That pass sucks if Dak didn’t properly read the defense and find the open receiver!”

Dak “gives it away”? The CB was completely out of the play, even with the ball being slightly behind Cooper. What game were you watching?

So you think that pass to a covered receiver is a good pass. You are saying that the pass was adequate - it was only adequate because of the separation that Amari gave him - is that easy enough for you to understand?

THE PASS WAS POOR! THE CATCH WAS POORER.

Jenky · Oct 7, 2019

MarcusRock said:
On the first INT, there was no pressure. Dak had a rare clean pocket. You can't miss a window as huge as Cooper had created with his route running. Should have been a TD. On other pass behind the receiver I saw, there was tighter coverage and the throw behind the receiver allowed the DB into the play to break it up. Those are killers and you can't do that.

Cooper has the DB beat by 3-5 yards and the ball is thrown behind him. Amazing.

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