No mention of the failed challenge?

KingintheNorth

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On an even larger scale, I'd like to know just how many of these blown calls involved the same referee that Garrett was having issues with all game - Scott Edwards. The issues with Garrett started early in the game, well before that incident on Anthony Brown's pass interference call. Edwards actually stopped the game earlier to have Garrett move back to the 20-yard line. Anyone remember the last time they've seen that? And he was clearly antagonistic and unprofessional with his "throw the flag" remark to Garrett. You're a referee tough guy!

And things escalated from that point, largely due to Edward's own actions, behavior, and missed calls. I think he should be getting thoroughly examined by the league for his performance on Sunday.
As someone who has gotten into it with a referee or two on the sideline, I can attest, those guys have ego's and are wrong all the time.

I submitted some film on one of our poor officials and they gave him a pass. He continued to act like a donkey and started harassing me and my other coaches. He thought he owned us from that point. He talked trash, told us we'll never get a call, etc.

I asked one of the local media members to dress up like a coach and hang out with us during the game. He had a clipboard and wrote down everything the guy said, he recorded some stuff as well. We turned that into the league and that official was suspended the next week and let go a few days later.

I think the issue is that so many coaches complain and gripe that all officials get a pass. When you have a legitimately awful official, the assumption is just another coach whining. If this official (Edwards) is out of line, the Cowboys just have to be diligent and he will be exposed.
 

KJJ

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I don't.

The one where the ref told him to challenge it if he didn't like it he looked straight ahead and softly tossed it to the ground.

The one where he slammed it to the ground it seemed like he was yelling at the ref for missing such and obvious call and forcing him to lose his last challenge.

That’s not exactly how I remember it but I’ll have to see the video again. I know he was mad about a previous call which led into that. Something between Garrett and the official had been festering.
 

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That’s not exactly how I remember it but I’ll have to see the video again. I know he was mad about a previous call which led into that. Something between Garrett and the official had been festering.
Its hard to tell watching the video but I think your right. I think he was upset with the official before the missed catch by Amari.
 

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yeah, and getting a roughing the passer call for a light tap on the helmet while running for a first down, qualifies. The play where Quinn jumped into the neutral zone and the O-linesman moved and got a false start qualifies. The play where A-rod tried to snap the ball before we could get situated but the refs declared it blown dead along with the snap that hit cobb and was recovered by GB but blown dead, both qualify.

They make that call all time when you hit to the head of the qb. And they missed a blow to the head in the 3rd quarter. At the end of the fg drive. The ball that hit Cobb wasn't favorable. It was a pre snap penalty, therefore it's no play. Then you have hands to face, what was favorable
 

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The challenge you said he was baited on and the one that he threw the flag down were 2 different challenges.
Correct. The one he got baited on was the for PI, the one where he slammed down the flag was challenging the officials ruling of an incompletion on a pass that Coop caught. He won that challenge, but was penalized 15 yds for his troubles.
 

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contact before the ball gets there is the literal definition of pass interference.

It wasn't enough contact there. The rule never said you can have any contact. In the 4th at 12:20 they literally had the same play with Brown again and the same ref didn't call it.
 

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It wasn't enough contact there. The rule never said you can have any contact. In the 4th at 12:20 they literally had the same play with Brown again and the same ref didn't call it.

It's arguable if there was enough contact but that was my point that it wouldn't get overturned. It has to be inarguable or they are gonna stick with the call on the field.
 

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They make that call all time when you hit to the head of the qb. And they missed a blow to the head in the 3rd quarter. At the end of the fg drive. The ball that hit Cobb wasn't favorable. It was a pre snap penalty, therefore it's no play. Then you have hands to face, what was favorable
I’m not sure how many times to restate it. Did you read the thread? Refs routinely miss calls and/or make the wrong calls in regards to is all the time. Replace favorable with fair, and contextualize it. You just said they missed a blow to the head,they could have very easily overlooked the glancing slap Daks helmet too since the result of the play was already an impressive first down scramble.
 

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I’m not sure how many times to restate it. Did you read the thread? Refs routinely miss calls and/or make the wrong calls in regards to is all the time. Replace favorable with fair, and contextualize it. You just said they missed a blow to the head,they could have very easily overlooked the glancing slap Daks helmet too since the result of the play was already an impressive first down scramble.


We're talking this game, the calls you claim were favorable to us, were not . They were legit. On the other hand there were other calls they missed a and we were on the wrong side of most of them.
 

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We're talking this game, the calls you claim were favorable to us, were not . They were legit. On the other hand there were other calls they missed a and we were on the wrong side of most of them.

Jesus Christ. Never mind
 

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I think the PI that was challenged was PI. He got there a tick early and made contact. Very similar to that play in the playoffs against the Lions a few years ago except in that case the DB timed it well and the ball was under thrown. That one was a good example of legal face guarding.

The Gallup play wouldn't have been overturned since the DB had position and Gallup initiated the contact. The DB did grab him and it should have been holding but since they didn't call it I doubt they would have overturned it.
 

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That was a very poor challenge call. There was no way it was going to get overturned. Because of that challenge, Garrett didn't have one available when Gallup was literally pulled down on the interception.
Gallup got raped. But it’s all good.
 

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Garrett got baited into making that challenge by the official. He told Garrett if you don’t like the call then challenge it and Garrett proceeded to slam down the challenge flag. Just another poor coaching decision to add to Garrett’s resume.

That's not the play he slammed the flag down on. He won the challenge where he slammed the flag and it seemed to engage the team from there.
 

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I think the PI that was challenged was PI. He got there a tick early and made contact. Very similar to that play in the playoffs against the Lions a few years ago except in that case the DB timed it well and the ball was under thrown. That one was a good example of legal face guarding.

The Gallup play wouldn't have been overturned since the DB had position and Gallup initiated the contact. The DB did grab him and it should have been holding but since they didn't call it I doubt they would have overturned it.

I did too. There isn't faceguarding but if you make contact while faceguarding it's almost an automatic flag.
 

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It doesn't matter if it was a light tap. If you hit the QB in the head, regardless of how hard, they are going to throw that flag. Rodgers snapped the ball before he was allowed to, it's a dead play. The play where the ball hit Cobb was a false start....none of these are incorrect/favorable calls, just called as the rules dictate.

It is poo poo'ed, unless it is Brady or Rodgers. Dak doesn't deserve these types of calls.
 

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Teams should have learned by week 3 not to challenge PI on your D.
 

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Garrett got baited into making that challenge by the official. He told Garrett if you don’t like the call then challenge it and Garrett proceeded to slam down the challenge flag. Just another poor coaching decision to add to Garrett’s resume.
Yep.
 
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