I am trying to figure Dak out instead of bashing him

shabazz · Oct 8, 2019

Whyjerry said:
I said the ball was behind him. Many times. Still NFL WRs need to catch those balls. Especially "elite" WRs playing for a big contract.

The Browns had almost the same play last night, this pass wasn't as far behind but very low and the same result

Runwildboys · Oct 8, 2019

SoupcanSam said:
This is hard to do

So what I came up with is, we all know that Dak can play the position to a certain extent. He is on at times and then he is off, badly.

There has been alot of hype about the contract. He started the season off great against below average teams. Then against above average teams he starts getting away from himself and all he has worked on in the offseason to develope better.

So I thought, what if the hype of the contract is getting to him? He now seems to be overthinking things, and now forcing the ball more, throwing interceptions, not throwing to wide open guys and being "greedy" as he puts it.

I believe he is pushing too hard for a big contract instead of just playing ball, playing his game, getting back to what he practiced.

Yes the competition has been a tad better but nothing Dak shouldnt be able to handle.

I believe Dak could be going into games with half his brain on football, and the other half on his contract and how to make a nice impression.

I am still against signing the guy but while he is here it would be good to just ponder what the problem could be.

I think it's just a matter of reverting to bad habits under pressure, whether real or perceived.

CowboysFaninHouston · Oct 8, 2019

Whyjerry said:
You are constrained by your own mind. Don’t sell yourself short. Plus you are not an elite NFL WR so stop trying to get into the mind of one.

Whyjerry · Oct 8, 2019

CowboysFaninHouston said:

Sarcasm fella. Sarcasm.

SoupcanSam · Oct 8, 2019

Runwildboys said:
I think it's just a matter of reverting to bad habits under pressure, whether real or perceived.

That is what bothers me about Dak. Dak should have those skills in him regardless of the on field situation.

The fact that he has this problem every year as the season progresses tells me he is just not a natural QB.

Dak will never have what he wasnt born with.

Runwildboys · Oct 8, 2019

SoupcanSam said:
That is what bothers me about Dak. Dak should have those skills in him regardless of the on field situation.

The fact that he has this problem every year as the season progresses tells me he is just not a natural QB.

Dak will never have what he wasnt born with.

He hasn't been working with Kitna all that long, so it's something some of us thought might happen. Hopefully, at some point his teachings become second nature. I hope that point comes soon.

Established1971 · Oct 8, 2019

SoupcanSam said:
This is hard to do

So what I came up with is, we all know that Dak can play the position to a certain extent. He is on at times and then he is off, badly.

There has been alot of hype about the contract. He started the season off great against below average teams. Then against above average teams he starts getting away from himself and all he has worked on in the offseason to develope better.

So I thought, what if the hype of the contract is getting to him? He now seems to be overthinking things, and now forcing the ball more, throwing interceptions, not throwing to wide open guys and being "greedy" as he puts it.

I believe he is pushing too hard for a big contract instead of just playing ball, playing his game, getting back to what he practiced.

Yes the competition has been a tad better but nothing Dak shouldnt be able to handle.

I believe Dak could be going into games with half his brain on football, and the other half on his contract and how to make a nice impression.

I am still against signing the guy but while he is here it would be good to just ponder what the problem could be.

may have something because in his first 3 years he has not been prone to throwing careless ints.

texbumthelife · Oct 8, 2019

Honestly, if your NFL QB cant compartmentalize his contract and just go out and play great football, he probably doesn't have the mental acuity for the position. Which might not be far off, because Dak doesn't seem to be able to come right back from his mistakes. He seems to tense up and hold the ball and start taking sacks.

Just observations. A contract is no excuse for an NFL QB to lose it.

Asklesko · Oct 8, 2019

Dak has been given offensive weapons that other QBs can only dream of. He is a product of the system.

ak47kaehu · Oct 8, 2019

BoysfaninVegas said:
Tell that to those who think he is elite around here. At least you can admit it.

He may not be elite, but he is missing way less passes than in his first three seasons. Its usually when he resorts back to bad mechanics. Im sure that he can improve much more with more experience and can become elite. There are flashes of it. It just needs to be consistent. Remember he did not come out of college a natural passer. He is learning to become one. As long as he keeps improving and does not regress he'll be alright. But i do believe he can become elite. He has the drive and work ethic for it.

CowboysFaninHouston · Oct 8, 2019

Asklesko said:
Dak has been given offensive weapons that other QBs can only dream of. He is a product of the system.

Or is he a product of himself?

IceStar-D7 · Oct 8, 2019

I don't get the Dak hate. Is he perfect? No. Mahomes looked like crap and didn't get 14 points on the board the other night. Every quarterback has int's-dropped passes etc, Dak is only going into his 4th year. Name me some guys in their 4th year playing as good as Dak with a rookie at OC. And an inept head coach. Let's really get more serious here guys. We had Tony friggin Romo and he didn't play as well as Dak has in his first 4 years. Yet do the math on both and see what they have in common.

NumOneQB · Oct 8, 2019

May be a lot of truth to this. QB play is mostly mental. I guess we’ll know if Jerruh & Stevie get him signed soon.

I’m leaning more towards he got way too comfortable cooking lunch and dinner in the pocket and throwing to receivers when he was ready. Did he shake off the kool-aid in the 2nd half of the Packets game? Will he be on his toes and thinking quicker back there after the increased pressure he’s seen the last two weeks? The OL has struggled the last two weeks, Dak needs to be quicker in the pocket.

IceStar-D7 · Oct 8, 2019

NumOneQB said:
May be a lot of truth to this. QB play is mostly mental. I guess we’ll know if Jerruh & Stevie get him signed soon.

I’m leaning more towards he got way too comfortable cooking lunch and dinner in the pocket and throwing to receivers when he was ready. Did he shake off the kool-aid in the 2nd half of the Packets game? Will he be on his toes and thinking quicker back there after the increased pressure he’s seen the last two weeks? The OL has struggled the last two weeks, Dak needs to be quicker in the pocket.

Mahomes lost 2 Olinmen also. He looked worse then Dak the other night. It's really sad how everyone is attacking Dak. Minus Brady, Watson and Wilson name me any other quarterback playing well without a full OLine or a running attack? Rodgers didn't do anything Sunday and you'd think he threw for 500 yards and 7 td's by the media suck butts. Yet he had a runner who ran all over Dallas. Rodgers also had a defense that got 3 turn overs while ours got none. Yet it's all Dak's fault.

Blackrain · Oct 8, 2019

Dak has many great qualities and of course a few warts . He is more than good enough to win with . He has given us great value so far and with a better coaching staff may have taken us to a SB.

That said until we use a TOP 10 PICK ON A QB we need to put the unrealistic expectations away. We should consider ourselves very fortunate to have a QB with Daks talent from the 4th round as we did absolutely ZERO preparation to groom a suitable replacement for Romo while watching his injury history escalate into a problem.

We failed to prepare so there going to be days where we just have to suck it up and take our lumps

Rajveer · Oct 8, 2019

SoupcanSam said:
This is hard to do

So what I came up with is, we all know that Dak can play the position to a certain extent. He is on at times and then he is off, badly.

There has been alot of hype about the contract. He started the season off great against below average teams. Then against above average teams he starts getting away from himself and all he has worked on in the offseason to develope better.

So I thought, what if the hype of the contract is getting to him? He now seems to be overthinking things, and now forcing the ball more, throwing interceptions, not throwing to wide open guys and being "greedy" as he puts it.

I believe he is pushing too hard for a big contract instead of just playing ball, playing his game, getting back to what he practiced.

Yes the competition has been a tad better but nothing Dak shouldnt be able to handle.

I believe Dak could be going into games with half his brain on football, and the other half on his contract and how to make a nice impression.

I am still against signing the guy but while he is here it would be good to just ponder what the problem could be.

I think the real problem is that he adjusted the number on his sleep number bed. :muttley:

cwbyfn88 · Oct 8, 2019

To the Dak jock sniffers any criticism is considered bashing. They absolve him of all blame. But yet hated when others did that for Romo. So good luck with this thread lol.

Cowboysfan917 · Oct 8, 2019

SoupcanSam said:
This is hard to do

So what I came up with is, we all know that Dak can play the position to a certain extent. He is on at times and then he is off, badly.

There has been alot of hype about the contract. He started the season off great against below average teams. Then against above average teams he starts getting away from himself and all he has worked on in the offseason to develope better.

So I thought, what if the hype of the contract is getting to him? He now seems to be overthinking things, and now forcing the ball more, throwing interceptions, not throwing to wide open guys and being "greedy" as he puts it.

I believe he is pushing too hard for a big contract instead of just playing ball, playing his game, getting back to what he practiced.

Yes the competition has been a tad better but nothing Dak shouldnt be able to handle.

I believe Dak could be going into games with half his brain on football, and the other half on his contract and how to make a nice impression.

I am still against signing the guy but while he is here it would be good to just ponder what the problem could be.

I think you’re overthinking it... I think he’s just not that gifted of a thrower of the football. He’s not built for it. He’s a football player but he’s an average thrower. Many of the flaws that haunted him in 2016 still haunt him. He’s made some improvements but not many. He’s been overhyped.

IceStar-D7 · Oct 8, 2019

49ers quarterbacks suck! Yet they are 5 and 0. Dak has played way better then any 49er quarterback-yet we've lost 2. You can bring in ARod, Brady and a young Staubach. In the end? these same guys would still be saying- they suck...Because nothing would change. The team still wouldn't have another Super Bowl.

JBond · Oct 8, 2019

dckid said:
Thanks for trying to have an adult conversation. It's like I am living through the seven stages of grief with Dak.
All throughout the summer I said pa him the Nick Foles contract. He is making 500k, going to 23 million is a fair raise for his skillset and talent. Then obviously Goff & Wentz get paid, so i have come to accept that he will get close to 30 million. I think the real mistake is do not go into the 35 or 40 million range. I mean it is just stupid to do that for someone other than Wilson, Rodgers, Mahomes, Watson type.
Dak is not a game changer, but he is also capable of being more than a game manager.
Let me ask you guys a crazy question, would you trade Dak for Gordon Minshew? It's not a 100% fair question. Do the Jags ever start Foles again?
With college producing so many good QB's can we find another Dak? I am just playing devils advocate here. Have said all of this if you can figure out your QB situation in the NFL you are well on your way to competing.

This team really lacks an identity. It's either 90's run heavy or throwing the ball 50 times a game. I really wish we would follow the Shanahan offense. Play to your strengths as a team.
Zeke is the best player on offense, we made him the highest paid RB, can we deploy him similar to what Carolina does with McCaffery?
I want us to be crisp on offense, please watch the highlights of the 49er game from last night. I want to use Zeke on tosses, misdirections, sweeps, not just a read zone up the middle run. We always seem to run out the shotgun, Teams know our running game.
Possessing the ball is something we should be doing. Play like 2016 only you have a much better QB & offense. The best defense is playing less defense. Convert third downs. Take a page from the Patriots.
They always play to their talent and scheme. Dak is a capable guy, but he is not Mahomes, Watson, Brees. He is most effective attempting in the low 30's, not 45. He is good at throwing deep balls, long posts. He also needs to go back and read the short to medium routes when available.

Heck of a post. Well said. Don't agree with everything, but close enough. Thank you.

Reminds me of posts on CompuServe forums when 15 or 20 were able to chat about the Cowboys. Used to go to my friend's apartment to use it.

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