Would Romo have us at 5-0?

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It most certainly does. It's just the couple times the defense and OL were really, really bad gets used as an excuse for Romo's entire 10 year career.
Go back and really look at those teams. Look at the players. See how many names stick out as really great players. Even look for players that moved on from our team and have had productive careers elsewhere. There are a few, not many.
 

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Go back and really look at those teams. Look at the players. See how many names stick out as really great players. Even look for players that moved on from our team and have had productive careers elsewhere. There are a few, not many.
I remember specific games and plays, regardless of who the players were. It wasn't near as bad as Romo fans try to claim.
 

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I don't know, but, with this schedule, even Kyle Allen would probably lead the team to 4-2 if he started the first six games. It's too early to use team record as a QB gauge, and it's never a reliable gauge anyway.
 

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I am going to say no and I was a Romo fan. How many seasons did Dallas start 5-0 with Romo, 1? I realize in most of those years he had a crap D, but has this year's D played great? No. So it's an absolute no from me.
People have forgotten that Romo lacked consistency. I think they only remember 14.
 

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I remember specific games and plays, regardless of who the players were. It wasn't near as bad as Romo fans try to claim.
Yup. Romo was a decent QB, not great. He wasn't the terrible player the haters proclaim, and he was not the borderline HOFer the lovers proclaim. Just a decent QB who was derailed by a GM who didn't understand how to put the correct pieces around him.
 

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I remember specific games and plays, regardless of who the players were. It wasn't near as bad as Romo fans try to claim.
So basically you don't remember how terrible overall those teams were? For a majority of his career, if a play needed to be made, it had to be Romo. Most of his career the run game was non-existent, there was no defense, and the O-line couldn't pass block to save their lives. Remember the play-off game against the Vikings? Most plays were just Romo taking the snap and then running for his life. He kept this team relevant. Look at our record when he was the starter when he missed games. It was awful.
 

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So basically you don't remember how terrible overall those teams were? For a majority of his career, if a play needed to be made, it had to be Romo. Most of his career the run game was non-existent, there was no defense, and the O-line couldn't pass block to save their lives. Remember the play-off game against the Vikings? Most plays were just Romo taking the snap and then running for his life. He kept this team relevant. Look at our record when he was the starter when he missed games. It was awful.
Of course he doesn't. Anything to drive the Dak agenda forward. Like I said previously, Romo never went 12 1/2 quarters without throwing a TD. Can you imagine if Dak had False start Flozell or MB3 with the hole in his quad or Laurant Robinson as his number 1, or hell, Miles Austin as his number 1? We would be lucky to get to 8-8.
 

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So basically you don't remember how terrible overall those teams were? For a majority of his career, if a play needed to be made, it had to be Romo. Most of his career the run game was non-existent, there was no defense, and the O-line couldn't pass block to save their lives. Remember the play-off game against the Vikings? Most plays were just Romo taking the snap and then running for his life. He kept this team relevant. Look at our record when he was the starter when he missed games. It was awful.
All true.

Most of Romo's failures are squarely on Jerry for not correctly assessing Romo's skillset. Don't forget Jerry's "We don't need a good OL because our QB is mobile" spiel. Trying to make Austin a deep WR and wasting his skillset on deep stuff after he'd proven to be one of the best YAC WR's in the NFL. Trading for a slant WR when Romo didn't throw slants well. Letting the OL fall apart completely. Thinking Barber was a lot better than he was. Not shoring up the OL after 09 when it was glaringly apparent it was falling apart. Not putting anywhere near enough talent around Ware. Not understand what the S and NT position bring to a D.

22 years spent learning what a pile of people on the websites already knew.
 

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So basically you don't remember how terrible overall those teams were? For a majority of his career, if a play needed to be made, it had to be Romo. Most of his career the run game was non-existent, there was no defense, and the O-line couldn't pass block to save their lives. Remember the play-off game against the Vikings? Most plays were just Romo taking the snap and then running for his life. He kept this team relevant. Look at our record when he was the starter when he missed games. It was awful.
Yes, I remember how terrible the teams were. Let's take 2013 for example, where we had a historically bad defense. This gets brought up all time.

They weren't historically bad every game. Romo didn't need the offense to go score 48 points each game in order to win. We went 8-8. First game against the Giants the defense forced 6 turnovers and scored a 2 TDs plus set the offense up in FG range to start the game. We only won by 5 points. The offense sucked that game.

Week 2 against the Chiefs the defense only gave up 17 points. The offense couldn't get anything going in the 2nd half.

Against the Chargers, the offense could only put up 14 points. Sean Lee returned another TD for another defensive score. The defense gave up 17 points in the 2nd half but the offense fared no better being shut out themselves.

The defense had several really bad games like against the Broncos and Saints and Bears to make the numbers look really, really bad. But despite that they still played well enough to give our offense an opportunity to go win the week 17 game against Philly. We had to ball late in the 4th quarter and Orton threw an interception to end the season.

It's just you guys looking at the high level overall season stat and forget the details of the games to conclude the team had no shot whatsoever. They did have a shot. They blew it.
 

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Of course he doesn't. Anything to drive the Dak agenda forward. Like I said previously, Romo never went 12 1/2 quarters without throwing a TD. Can you imagine if Dak had False start Flozell or MB3 with the hole in his quad or Laurant Robinson as his number 1, or hell, Miles Austin as his number 1? We would be lucky to get to 8-8.

Can you imagine if Dak had prime Terrell Owens, Bill Parcell coaching, prime Jason Witten, Martellus Bennett, Miles Austin, prime Dez Bryant, pro bowler Roy Williams?

This notion that Romo had no real talent is false and even disrespectful to the other players on offense here.

Marion Barber was a beast in his prime. Felix Jones averaged nearly 9 yards a carry his first year and over five his second. Demarco Murray had a monster season when we got our O line together and was very solid prior.
 

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When does this stop? Next year when Romo turns 40? When he turns 45?
 

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Yup. Romo was a decent QB, not great. He wasn't the terrible player the haters proclaim, and he was not the borderline HOFer the lovers proclaim. Just a decent QB who was derailed by a GM who didn't understand how to put the correct pieces around him.

We probably disagree with his stature but some of Romo's inconsistency was a product of injuries as well as trying to overcome many of the weaknesses on those teams. When healthy and moderate cast around him I thought he was Elite, however his untimely turnovers offset a lot of the heroics. His football acumen is unquestionably high ,but I know history will not be kind to him

The one takeaway is that no matter what team we were playing (even those with dominant defenses) I always thought we had a chance. These days. I don't. Sorry about my punctuation but English is my 5th language
 

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Yes, I remember how terrible the teams were. Let's take 2013 for example, where we had a historically bad defense. This gets brought up all time.

They weren't historically bad every game. Romo didn't need the offense to go score 48 points each game in order to win. We went 8-8. First game against the Giants the defense forced 6 turnovers and scored a 2 TDs plus set the offense up in FG range to start the game. We only won by 5 points. The offense sucked that game.

Week 2 against the Chiefs the defense only gave up 17 points. The offense couldn't get anything going in the 2nd half.

Against the Chargers, the offense could only put up 14 points. Sean Lee returned another TD for another defensive score. The defense gave up 17 points in the 2nd half but the offense fared no better being shut out themselves.

The defense had several really bad games like against the Broncos and Saints and Bears to make the numbers look really, really bad. But despite that they still played well enough to give our offense an opportunity to go win the week 17 game against Philly. We had to ball late in the 4th quarter and Orton threw an interception to end the season.

It's just you guys looking at the high level overall season stat and forget the details of the games to conclude the team had no shot whatsoever. They did have a shot. They blew it.

Thanks for the reminder as some having revisionist history act like we never had offensive struggles with Romo and that Romo easily lit of the scoreboard every single game, especially in his first 3 or 4 years as starter.
 

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When does this stop? Next year when Romo turns 40? When he turns 45?
It would stop immediately if Cooper Rush were the starter. No matter how bad it would be there’d always be an excuse. Dak is hated and a target of some people’s agenda.
 

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Go back and really look at those teams. Look at the players. See how many names stick out as really great players. Even look for players that moved on from our team and have had productive careers elsewhere. There are a few, not many.

Doesn't change the fact that for at the time the Cowboys with Romo was seen as one of the favorites in the NFC to advance to the Superbowl and was more likely talked about as one of the best teams and the NFC and that wasn't solely because of Romo being on the team.
 

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We probably disagree with his stature but some of Romo's inconsistency was a product of injuries as well as trying to overcome many of the weaknesses on those teams. When healthy and moderate cast around him I thought he was Elite, however his untimely turnovers offset a lot of the heroics. His football acumen is unquestionably high ,but I know history will not be kind to him

The one takeaway is that no matter what team we were playing (even those with dominant defenses) I always thought we had a chance. These days. I don't. Sorry about my punctuation but English is my 5th language
STOP THE BS. Romo was only elite with elite talent surrounding him. He had almost as many losing seasons as he’s had winning ones. If he was sooooo ELITE he’d have a damn Super Bowl ring or two because his ELITE TALENT would’ve overcome any and all negative circumstances within the team. RIGHT???? :facepalm:
 

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Thanks for the reminder as some having revisionist history act like we never had offensive struggles with Romo and that Romo easily lit of the scoreboard every single game, especially in his first 3 or 4 years as starter.
LMAO!!! Yea. The fairytales are just ridiculous.
 

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I'd do anything to have Romo playing QB for this offense. I don't know if he'd be 5-0, but we'd be a lot scarier as a team going forward then we currently are that's for sure.
Why haven’t we advanced to the NFC championship under Romo if he was so ELITE?
 
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