42 year old Tom Brady very successfully runs the QB sneak, why not Dak!

zrinkill · Oct 11, 2019

Captain43Crash said:
How did Zek running into the teeth of the Rams defense work out last year in the playoffs? The QB sneak was WIDE open with no defender over the center! You are disagreeing with Belichick and Bill Walsh two of the best coaches of ALL time!

Wow ....... you have no clue.

Kaiser · Oct 11, 2019

Captain43Crash said:
The QB sneak is the simplest play in football. There is no excuse for Zek to get stuffed 3 yards behind the LOS when Dak can take the snap and find a crease. We have an All pro center and guard and a big strong QB in Dak. We should be as effective at the QB sneak as NE and they convert 90% of the time on the sneak.

I need examples if you are going to claim the middle was wide open and Dak didn't audible. Usually if the defense is spread out he will look at a delayed draw. But if you are claiming its common for teams to leave the Center uncovered on 4th and 1, I need to see examples.

Kaiser · Oct 11, 2019

EST_1986 said:
Yea I agree Zeke should get the ball but we’re talking about Dak.

But the point is converting the first down, so you call your best option. IE, if you know Witten can get open for 4 yards and move the chains 90% of the time, you don't go with a lower percentage play just because the Patriots do it.

atlantacowboy · Oct 11, 2019

Captain43Crash said:
Why is this so complicated for some fans to understand? The sneak is not automatic, but if it is more effective than turning and handing off, ESPECIALLY if no one is over the center.

There isn't a counter argument.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/...ack-sneak-short-yardage-play-calling-analysis

"Every study of quarterback sneaks that’s been conducted has proved they are significantly more successful than other short-yardage plays. ESPN research from 2017 showed that every NFL team had a higher conversion rate on quarterback sneaks than on other short-yardage plays. Pro Football Focus research from February showed that quarterback sneaks are 13 percent more successful than other types of runs from the opposing 1-yard line, and 20 percent more successful than other third-and-1 or fourth-and-1 plays. Football Outsiders research from 2016 showed that quarterback sneaks are more successful than every other type of play on third down and fourth down. Advanced Football Analytics research from 2011 showed that a QB sneak on third-and-2 is more likely to be successful than a running back carry on third-and-1. The Wall Street Journal reported in October that every quarterback in the league with at least 10 career sneak attempts has a success rate of 75 percent or better. A 2015 Yale research paper stated that QB sneak attempts are worth nearly twice as much as non-sneaks by a metric called estimated points added. "

mattjames2010 · Oct 11, 2019

Kaiser said:
Tom Brady: 274 career games, 1000 career rushing yards

Dak Prescott: 53 career games, 1066 career rushing yards

Not sure if you just troll at this point or if you're drunk 99% of the time you post on here.

atlantacowboy · Oct 11, 2019

mattjames2010 said:
Not sure if you just troll at this point or if you're drunk 99% of the time you post on here.

You think he might be sober 1% of the time?

buybuydandavis · Oct 11, 2019

Super_Kazuya said:
Someone can double check me but I’ve got for all 3rd/4th and 1’s:
Elliott - 48/61
Brady - 95/106

Also: https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/...ack-sneak-short-yardage-play-calling-analysis

I don't get anywhere near that number for Zeke.
Results of 3rd/4th and 1:
25/33 2+ yards
5/33 0 yards
2/33 1 yard - can't tell if these were successful or not.
1/33 fumble by Dak, Zeke recovers

25/30 successful

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny.fcgi?id=bOiu0
From 1994 to 2019, any team vs. any team, in the regular season, play type is rush, on kickoff or 3rd or 4th down, 1 yards to go, did not result in a completed pass, excluding QB kneels, did not result in a sack, play featured Ezekiel Elliott, sorted by yards descending

For 2 yard to go, big jump in failure rates. Looks like we just stopped trying those in 2018. Have never tried it on 4th down.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/tiny.fcgi?id=HorzM
2/6 3+ yards
4/6 1 yard
1/6 0 yards

HungryLion · Oct 11, 2019

I have been wanting them to run the sneak more often also. I do think they are incredibly effective.

It’s not something I’ve really worried about though.

If it is less than 1 yard to go. Sneak should be the main call.

Captain43Crash · Oct 11, 2019

zrinkill said:
Wow ....... you have no clue.

You mean Bill Belichick and Bill Walsh have no clue. Two coaches who know it is easier and less risky to have your QB run a QB sneak on 3rd or 4th and 1, than to have your QB turn around and hand the ball to a RB 7 yards from the LOS.

Captain43Crash · Oct 11, 2019

DakPresgoat said:
I have been wanting them to run the sneak more often also. I do think they are incredibly effective.

It’s not something I’ve really worried about though.

If it is less than 1 yard to go. Sneak should be the main call.

I agree.

Kaiser · Oct 11, 2019

atlantacowboy said:
You think he might be sober 1% of the time?

You two are so cute together.

Captain43Crash · Oct 11, 2019

atlantacowboy said:
There isn't a counter argument.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2018/...ack-sneak-short-yardage-play-calling-analysis

"Every study of quarterback sneaks that’s been conducted has proved they are significantly more successful than other short-yardage plays. ESPN research from 2017 showed that every NFL team had a higher conversion rate on quarterback sneaks than on other short-yardage plays. Pro Football Focus research from February showed that quarterback sneaks are 13 percent more successful than other types of runs from the opposing 1-yard line, and 20 percent more successful than other third-and-1 or fourth-and-1 plays. Football Outsiders research from 2016 showed that quarterback sneaks are more successful than every other type of play on third down and fourth down. Advanced Football Analytics research from 2011 showed that a QB sneak on third-and-2 is more likely to be successful than a running back carry on third-and-1. The Wall Street Journal reported in October that every quarterback in the league with at least 10 career sneak attempts has a success rate of 75 percent or better. A 2015 Yale research paper stated that QB sneak attempts are worth nearly twice as much as non-sneaks by a metric called estimated points added. "

These statistics are obvious to fans who have watched football for more than a few years. Thanks for posting them. The truth is hard to take for some know it all fans.

EST_1986 · Oct 12, 2019

Kaiser said:
But the point is converting the first down, so you call your best option. IE, if you know Witten can get open for 4 yards and move the chains 90% of the time, you don't go with a lower percentage play just because the Patriots do it.

Oh we do the exact opposite of what the Patriots do and it shows.

atlantacowboy · Oct 12, 2019

Kaiser said:
You two are so cute together.

I guess this is your childish rebuttal for making you look like a moron. What you fail to realize is that most already consider you a moron.

Welcome to my ignore list with all the other half-wits.

Aerolithe_Lion · Oct 12, 2019

Captain43Crash said:
What?

I know!

Cowboysheelsreds053 · Oct 12, 2019

EST_1986 said:
Oh we do the exact opposite of what the Patriots do and it shows.

LLLOOOLLL

Starforever · Oct 12, 2019

Tabascocat said:
Dallas won’t do a QB sneak as long as there is a stud RB on this team......another sign of a coaching problem

There is just no thinking beyond what's in his head.

42 year old Tom Brady very successfully runs the QB sneak, why not Dak!

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