Snyder overruled Gruden on drafting Haskins

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He's actually a good coach stuck in an impossible situation.

He'll land elsewhere and be successful.
There's been no evidence that Gruden is a good coach. He knows the game, of that there's no doubt.
 

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I don't see Miami drafting a quarterback unless they're as dumb as a bag of rocks. How long do they have Rosen at a ridiculously cheap rate? They already have a QB. They have 5 first round picks and 4 second rounders in the next two years. They need to use those picks to build a team around Rosen.

I don't see anybody building a team around Rosen. Miami will trade Rosen too for whatever they can get.

It would not surprise me if the Dolphins are trying to trade Rosen to the Stealers for a 2nd.
 

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A person with knowledge of Gruden’s thinking has confirmed that the head coach did not want Haskins, and while Haskins has publicly downplayed any suggestion that he wasn’t Gruden’s choice, a person close to the rookie quarterback said that Haskins has sensed that to be the case.
Before Haskins was selected, ESPN reported that Washington’s coaching staff preferred a more experienced college player — like Duke’s Daniel Jones, who was selected sixth overall by the New York Giants — only to be overruled by owner Daniel Snyder.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...eason-so-what-do-they-do-with-dwayne-haskins/


Snyder is truly the gift that keeps on giving.

Maybe that's why there was that rumor Gruden was rumored to be fired last week.
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I don't see Miami drafting a quarterback unless they're as dumb as a bag of rocks. How long do they have Rosen at a ridiculously cheap rate? They already have a QB. They have 5 first round picks and 4 second rounders in the next two years. They need to use those picks to build a team around Rosen.

But Rosen isn’t good...
 

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I don't see Miami drafting a quarterback unless they're as dumb as a bag of rocks. How long do they have Rosen at a ridiculously cheap rate? They already have a QB. They have 5 first round picks and 4 second rounders in the next two years. They need to use those picks to build a team around Rosen.

You think Rosen is playing himself into a bigger contract?
 

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I'm afraid you're off on this one. Everything MIA has done points toward tanking for the best QB available. And it's always prudent when it comes to the QB position to stack the deck and get at least two prospects on board.

You could be right. I was just using my logic. You don't use a top 3 pick on a QB when you already have a first round QB for cheap on your roster. Besides, all of these QBs are all hype. Think about it. A 4th round pick (Dak) has played better than every quarterback drafted not named Mahomes since 2016. And Trubisky was picked before Mahomes.
 

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I don't see anybody building a team around Rosen. Miami will trade Rosen too for whatever they can get.

It would not surprise me if the Dolphins are trying to trade Rosen to the Stealers for a 2nd.

I don't see why not. I hope you didn't expect him to do much with the crap around him. Brady could be on that team and they'd still be winless.
 

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You think Rosen is playing himself into a bigger contract?

Lets see. He was on the Cards and is not on a tanking Dolphins team. There isn't a QB in the league that would have a single win on Miami so it's hard to pass judgment.
 

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You could be right. I was just using my logic. You don't use a top 3 pick on a QB when you already have a first round QB for cheap on your roster. Besides, all of these QBs are all hype. Think about it. A 4th round pick (Dak) has played better than every quarterback drafted not named Mahomes since 2016. And Trubisky was picked before Mahomes.
I think Rosen is both the placeholder and the competition for the youngster that will be brought in.

Smart coaches hedge their bets. Carroll traded for Flynn and still drafted Wilson as well as bringing in Tavaris Jackson and Josh Portis. Until you find someone who can play, you don't quit bringin' 'em in.
 

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I think Rosen is both the placeholder and the competition for the youngster that will be brought in.

Smart coaches hedge their bets. Carroll traded for Flynn and still drafted Wilson as well as bringing in Tavaris Jackson and Josh Portis. Until you find someone who can play, you don't quit bringin' 'em in.

Well that's the thing. You can't tell how good Rosen is right now on that garbage team. He could be the best QB in history and you'd not know it. A 53% completion percentage, 9 TDs and 18 interceptions through 11 games looks like crap too. But once he got a team around him Aikman was a pretty good quarterback. All I know is I wouldn't be wasting a top 3 pick on a player that is most likely going to be no better than the one they already have.
 

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Well that's the thing. You can't tell how good Rosen is right now on that garbage team. He could be the best QB in history and you'd not know it. A 53% completion percentage, 9 TDs and 18 interceptions through 11 games looks like crap too. But once he got a team around him Aikman was a pretty good quarterback. All I know is I wouldn't be wasting a top 3 pick on a player that is most likely going to be no better than the one they already have.
Unless Rosen shows up this season, they'll draft another.
 

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Well that's the thing. You can't tell how good Rosen is right now on that garbage team. He could be the best QB in history and you'd not know it. A 53% completion percentage, 9 TDs and 18 interceptions through 11 games looks like crap too. But once he got a team around him Aikman was a pretty good quarterback. All I know is I wouldn't be wasting a top 3 pick on a player that is most likely going to be no better than the one they already have.
Not how it works. Rosen hasn't proven anything. So, unless he busts out, they'd be foolish to not take another QB w/ the top pick.

In the NFL, if you don't have a QB, you have nothing.
 

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Lets see. He was on the Cards and is not on a tanking Dolphins team. There isn't a QB in the league that would have a single win on Miami so it's hard to pass judgment.

Ok. But the default position isn't that he's in line for a big pay day. The Dolphins basically have him for cheap the next 3 years anyway. So, its a moot point.
 

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FWIW, I never liked Haskins that much either. He has some talent, but he threw to so many wide open players at tOSU, it was hard to tell about his accuracy. And I thought it was telling when Meyer was asked if Haskins was ready to lead an NFL team and he said no... He will be soon, but not now.

I knew when Danny saw Daniel Jones having that success and getting all that attention for a rival that he'd force his own rookie QB in there even though he wasn't ready.
 

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Not how it works. Rosen hasn't proven anything. So, unless he busts out, they'd be foolish to not take another QB w/ the top pick.

In the NFL, if you don't have a QB, you have nothing.

I don't know what you're talking about. You can't prove anything on the current Dolphins. Mahomes could be the QB on the Dolphins and they would still be winless. He would look like garbage. They have a QB, just not a team. Quarterbacks aren't magicians. All of the great quarterbacks of the past were surrounded with great talent. There are no exceptions.


Ok. But the default position isn't that he's in line for a big pay day. The Dolphins basically have him for cheap the next 3 years anyway. So, its a moot point.

I agree. I just think they don't need to waste a high end pick on another QB. No need for it.
 

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I don't know what you're talking about. You can't prove anything on the current Dolphins. Mahomes could be the QB on the Dolphins and they would still be winless. He would look like garbage. They have a QB, just not a team. Quarterbacks aren't magicians. All of the great quarterbacks of the past were surrounded with great talent. There are no exceptions.




I agree. I just think they don't need to waste a high end pick on another QB. No need for it.

The Dolphins have so many first and and second round picks in the next 2 drafts that they should be able to cover every area of need at least once. That said, nobody moves forward in this league without a solid starting QB. Rosen is far from it. Got benched again today against the skids. I'm not saying they shouldn't keep him as a cheap back-up / competition but they absolutely need to draft Tua if they have a shot.
 

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I don't know what you're talking about. You can't prove anything on the current Dolphins. Mahomes could be the QB on the Dolphins and they would still be winless. He would look like garbage. They have a QB, just not a team. Quarterbacks aren't magicians. All of the great quarterbacks of the past were surrounded with great talent. There are no exceptions.




I agree. I just think they don't need to waste a high end pick on another QB. No need for it.
Man, if you can't see what I'm talking about, you just don't want to!!!!!

There are several exceptions.
Elway took several crappy teams to the super bowl.

Marino had one one thousand yard rusher his entire career and no D.

Jim Hart was a fine QB who never had talent around him.

Ken Anderson, Dave Krieg, Don Meredith, Roman Gabriel, Sonny Jurgenson, Dan Fouts. All great QB's who suffered from a glaring lack of talent.
 

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Man, if you can't see what I'm talking about, you just don't want to!!!!!

There are several exceptions.
Elway took several crappy teams to the super bowl.

Marino had one one thousand yard rusher his entire career and no D.

Jim Hart was a fine QB who never had talent around him.

Ken Anderson, Dave Krieg, Don Meredith, Roman Gabriel, Sonny Jurgenson, Dan Fouts. All great QB's who suffered from a glaring lack of talent.

Let me get something straight. Are you comparing the Elway Super Bowl teams to these Miami Dolphins? Are you kidding me? Elway would have his butt stapled to his forehead on this Dolphins team. Dan Fouts and Dan Marino had all pros and hall of famers around them on offense. They had poor defenses. No team like these Miami Dolphins have ever even sniffed the playoffs. Not possible with any quarterback.


The Dolphins have so many first and and second round picks in the next 2 drafts that they should be able to cover every area of need at least once. That said, nobody moves forward in this league without a solid starting QB. Rosen is far from it. Got benched again today against the skids. I'm not saying they shouldn't keep him as a cheap back-up / competition but they absolutely need to draft Tua if they have a shot.

LOL, so you think Tua would do better? I find it interesting that people think quarterbacks are like mythical beings that can do anything. They're not. All of the great quarterbacks of the past had all pros and hall of famers around them. Maybe Tom Brady and Drew Brees are exceptions. But even they wouldn't win on these Dolphins. You think that clown Tua would? How's that guy doing over there on the Cards?
 

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I would hope they continued to lose to maybe get a top #3 pick and choose one of these high regarded QBs coming out. But with the current front office and owner as is, I'd only be hoping they'd ruin some young kids career.
 
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