Dak is a tough Son of a Gun

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The POINT is, we are talking about what Dak has in relation to Romo. Everybody knows that this offense is run through Zeke. How about league-leading rusher that’s every defense says they focus on primarily, as opposed to worrying about Dak? I even said that even though we are passing more this year, defenses still focus on Zeke.

Saying Romo would have folded in yesterday’s scenario, unlike Dak is laughable. Romo experiences garbage pass protection on a regular. Garrett’s offense didn’t even have hot routes per Crayton’s hyperbole. Jim Haslett constantly had free runners at Romo and Garrett left him alone on an island constantly. We were bottom on the league in play action with Garrett calling plays, while we are top 3 traditionally with Dak, meaning even our passing game isn’t traditional drop back passer.

Dak’s blocking wasn’t even that bad anyways considering the whole second half, they were feeding Zeke over and over again and it ultimately wore out their front. Dak only got sacked once. He’s been the least pressured QB a majority of the whole season.

if anybody was tough, it was Romo.
Again, I wasn't referring to Romo. That was an earlier context that I missed. But, to comment on that, who knows how Romo would have handled it? Romo certainly had games over his career where he struggled under the kind of pressure Dak had yesterday. All QB's have. There simply is no way to know if Romo would have been better or worse under the circumstances. Dak really didn't do a bad job with it yesterday. 398 yards is actually a pretty strong offensive output, and 277 passing yards isn't bad at all, especially considering how porous the O-Line was.
 

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Again, I wasn't referring to Romo. That was an earlier context that I missed. But, to comment on that, who knows how Romo would have handled it? Romo certainly had games over his career where he struggled under the kind of pressure Dak had yesterday. All QB's have. There simply is no way to know if Romo would have been better or worse under the circumstances. Dak really didn't do a bad job with it yesterday. 398 yards is actually a pretty strong offensive output, and 277 passing yards isn't bad at all, especially considering how porous the O-Line was.

The point is Dak has NOT had these type of games regarding pressure that Romo experienced regularly. It is not about Romo, it is about those claiming Dak is a tough SOB in one game, when he’s basically had top flight blocking his whole career. Even this year, through a majority of the seasons, he’s had the top blocking OL in the league.

Even last night, he was sacked once and Dak moved the ball when Dallas fed the ball to Zeke as the driver. On their first shire in the third, Zeke touched the ball NINE out of 12 times consuming half the clock. How is that pressure?

the next drive 5 out of 9 plays were rushes. Zeke has a rush of 10 and 8 yards and Pollard 10 yards. Dak sailed a pass over the head of Witten despite having no pressure on him and then he sailed the pass on the left on a miscommunication with the WR. That’s when Maher missed the FG, but Dak had more than enough time.

the point being the whole second half, particularly the third, when the running game started wearing down the Saints front, Dak saw very little pressure.

People exaggerate and over-dramatize Dak’s environment like he’s experiencing levels unheard of around the league to pump up his non existent legend. The guy still hasn’t brought his team back from ten points or more since his first year here, but he’s supposedly ‘clutch’.
 

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Dak has taken a beating; I'm not sure why they always stop running PA when it works well for this team

Wentz

Mahomes

Watson

Goff

Jackson

ECT....

Don't give me that crap about coaching, just a few weeks ago, we found gold with Moore, now that the wheels are actually turning and defenses play Dak differently it's his fault.

Don't bring up stats either. These guys are winning. And stats or no stats, he can't hold a candle to any of those guys mentioned above, maybe Jackson. Maybe

We have better weapons, so don't bring that up either.


You realize Mahomes and Goff have lost 5 straight games?

Granted they have looked better than the cowboys' offense but Rams/Texans/Chiefs have some serious playmakers on offense
 

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The point is Dak has NOT had these type of games regarding pressure that Romo experienced regularly. It is not about Romo, it is about those claiming Dak is a tough SOB in one game, when he’s basically had top flight blocking his whole career. Even this year, through a majority of the seasons, he’s had the top blocking OL in the league.

Even last night, he was sacked once and Dak moved the ball when Dallas fed the ball to Zeke as the driver. On their first shire in the third, Zeke touched the ball NINE out of 12 times consuming half the clock. How is that pressure?

the next drive 5 out of 9 plays were rushes. Zeke has a rush of 10 and 8 yards and Pollard 10 yards. Dak sailed a pass over the head of Witten despite having no pressure on him and then he sailed the pass on the left on a miscommunication with the WR. That’s when Maher missed the FG, but Dak had more than enough time.

the point being the whole second half, Dak saw very little pressure.
The pass protection was far from ideal ast year without Frederick and with a rookie at LG who had never played LG. Granted, Dak often held the ball too long, but if the standard you are talking about is toughness, holding the ball too long doesn't somehow mean he isn't tough.

As for the possession where Zeke touched the ball so much, that certainly did help relieve some of the pressure - for that possession. But it's kind of silly to pretend that possession was indicative of the entire game.

In any case, the OP didn't say Dak had a great game. I think all the OP meant by "tough" was that Dak took a hell of a lot of hits yesterday and kept getting up and competing. Surely you can agree with that.
 

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The pass protection was far from ideal ast year without Frederick and with a rookie at LG who had never played LG. Granted, Dak often held the ball too long, but if the standard you are talking about is toughness, holding the ball too long doesn't somehow mean he isn't tough.

As for the possession where Zeke touched the ball so much, that certainly did help relieve some of the pressure - for that possession. But it's kind of silly to pretend that possession was indicative of the entire game.

In any case, the OP didn't say Dak had a great game. I think all the OP meant by "tough" was that Dak took a hell of a lot of hits yesterday and kept getting up and competing. Surely you can agree with that.

The original poster said Romo would have been on a body cast. That is what I was responding to. With that in mind, the point becomes pretty obvious...
 

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The original poster said Romo would have been on a body cast. That is what I was responding to. With that in mind, the point becomes pretty obvious...

I'm sure "body cast" was hyperbole, and I imaging the OP was referring to the later in his career Romo where injuries were an ongoing problem. After all, Romo got injured in 2 of his 4 starts in 2015, and in his one preseason game in 2016, so his body wasn't holding up to the contact very well at that point.

If, however, the OP were talking about Romo in his mid 20's, that's another story. Romo was pretty tough himself. That doesn't, however, mean Dak isn't as well.
 

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I'm sure "body cast" was hyperbole, and I imaging the OP was referring to the later in his career Romo where injuries were an ongoing problem. After all, Romo got injured in 2 of his 4 starts in 2015, and in his one preseason game in 2016, so his body wasn't holding up to the contact very well at that point.

If, however, the OP were talking about Romo in his mid 20's, that's another story. Romo was pretty tough himself. That doesn't, however, mean Dak isn't as well.

well the comparison is a young Dak in his 20s to a Romo who faced it all in his young 20s. Dak walked into great blocking and an all pro line and an offense that went through Zeke.
 

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well the comparison is a young Dak in his 20s to a Romo who faced it all in his young 20s. Dak walked into great blocking and an all pro line and an offense that went through Zeke.
Are you sure he wasn't talking about how Romo would hold up if he were still playing? If that's the case, the OP wasn't necessarily off base.

But, if the OP was comparing Dak in his 20's to Romo in his 20's I would say the OP is off base.
 

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Dak has taken a beating; I'm not sure why they always stop running PA when it works well for this team




You realize Mahomes and Goff have lost 5 straight games?

Granted they have looked better than the cowboys' offense but Rams/Texans/Chiefs have some serious playmakers on offense

Yeah they got some real good weapons. So do we.

My thing is, even in a loss. They don't look bad. Dak looks horrible. Can't even throw a TD

Jets have one of the worst secondaries. We lose one guy and all of a sudden we are Doo Doo?
 

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Wentz

Mahomes

Watson

Goff

Jackson

ECT....

Don't give me that crap about coaching, just a few weeks ago, we found gold with Moore, now that the wheels are actually turning and defenses play Dak differently it's his fault.

Don't bring up stats either. These guys are winning. And stats or no stats, he can't hold a candle to any of those guys mentioned above, maybe Jackson. Maybe

We have better weapons, so don't bring that up either.
Wait.....you consider those guys to have inept coaching? Ahahahahahahahahaha......yeah god forbid I bring up facts and stats I know that’s too much to handle. You won man. I’m not gonna debate with anyone who thinks like this. You got it man. Goff and Wentz.....ahahahhhh.
 

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Yeah they got some real good weapons. So do we.

My thing is, even in a loss. They don't look bad. Dak looks horrible. Can't even throw a TD

Jets have one of the worst secondaries. We lose one guy and all of a sudden we are Doo Doo?
That’s how you know you don’t know what you’re talking about. Goff has been bad dating back to December lol. He’s exactly why they been losing lol.
 

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also no help from he coaching staff to get him some extra help
 

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The original poster said Romo would have been on a body cast. That is what I was responding to. With that in mind, the point becomes pretty obvious...
Yeah, Romo took that kind of beating regularly from 2010-2013. Week in and week out.
I wouldn't wish it on any Cowboy QB--including Dak.
 

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Sorry, I missed the context then. I agree Dak held the ball too long last year, but we didn't have the top rushing team last year either (10th in yards per game and 12th in yards per carry). Last year really isn't relevant to what's happening this year though.
You didn’t miss anything he’s clinging on to 2018 when it has nothing to do with Dak taking a beating yesterday.
 

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So tough that all his offense can produce through 3 quarters is 3 field goals. Give Dakota the Participation Award for that. His bar has been lower than for any previous Cowboys quarterback........or better yet, pay him that 50 Mil he craves so much, LMAO
I wonder why his bar has been so low than other qb's?
 

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Romo would have been in the emergency room and broken in half in this type of game, probably out in the second series with a broken collarbone or collapsed lung..Dak actually put us in position to win again but came up short in the end...He had an obvious TD wiped off the board because of a horrendous flag on Wilson in the endzone, we all know that wasn't a pick play but rather an anti-cowboy flag. Another bone head call was the 4th and 2 call to go for it and the play call was trash, should have taken the 3pts in that situation. So far i am up to 7pts we left on the field. My last gripe would be our kicker which was never addressed in the offseason, he misses and costs us another 3pts, also who's idea was it to run a 5 reciever set on a 2pt conversion leaving Dak completley on an island and nobody to block when it's obvious the Jets were blitzing? As poorly as we played without even doing a damn thing in the first half we could have won 32-24 but woulda coulda shoulda! In the end we take another L and that's what a poorly coached team does.
 
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