Problem w/Zeke’s Contract

dragon_mikal · Oct 14, 2019

mattjames2010 said:
Zeke got a fat contract. Yes, yes, he is justifiably criticized.

What does Zeke have to do to be worth his contact in your eyes? Or do you think no RB is worth being paid what Zeke was?

I get where you’re coming from is so.

I was for drafting him but against extending him due to the off the field nonsense and the holdout but he’s been paid and it’s up to the coaching staff to find the best way to use him.

mattjames2010 · Oct 14, 2019

WillieBeamen said:
Yes a 30-40 yard run wouldve helped us.

A defense that doesnt give up 92 yarders, a QB that leads TD drives, and a FG kicker that can make 40 yarders would help us more. That is my point.

Zeke left meat on the bone yesterday and had a chance for a TD but allowed himself to get tripped up. What could have been a fantastic day turned into an average day. It is what it is. That 80 million will haunt us because no RB unless they are next Smith, Peyton, Sanders, or Peterson is not worth that kind of bag.

Zeke needs to be a pure power back at this point while Pollard is our speedy RB that comes in after a defense gets worn down.

mattjames2010 · Oct 14, 2019

dragon_mikal said:
What does Zeke have to do to be worth his contact in your eyes? Or do you think no RB is worth being paid what Zeke was?

I get where you’re coming from is so.

I was for drafting him but against extending him due to the off the field nonsense and the holdout but he’s been paid and it’s up to the coaching staff to find the best way to use him.

No RB is worth Zeke's contract, you run them into the ground on their first contract, tag them, if they hold out you trade them and move on to the next RB. You think the Patriots will play ball with Sony Michel if he tries to hold out? Heck no. They'd toss him on his *** and go tell him to get his uber license.

Blackspider214 · Oct 14, 2019

aria said:
Zeke has been a predictable absolute waste of money. Jerry was thinking Super Bowl, caved, and went all in. Just wait until next year and the year after when his contract really pays off, most RB’s age like a fine wine

Zeke is not the huge issue. Why don't you bring up how god awful DLaw and Jaylon are? But it seems Jaylon gets a huge pass in the media because of his "journey". He's had one good season and we didn't even wait to see if he could duplicate it. He is not a good player.

superonyx · Oct 14, 2019

Sydla said:
Again, what Tank makes is irrelevant to whether or not signing Elliott to a huge contract was wise. Maybe the answer is both were dumb contracts and throw Jaylon Smith's in there as well if you want.

And this isn't complaining from me just because we are 3-3. I've said for two years that signing him to a long term deal was going to be a mistake. This season is just proving to me again that it wasn't a wise investment. Because while he's playing well, he's having a limited impact on the season and frankly, we could be 3-3 right now with paying our TBs half of what Elliott is making.

This game is too reliant on OL play and QB play to think that a TB can make such a massive impact. As you said, Elliott may run for 1400 yards but if he gets bad play from Prescott? The season is likely over.

You are clearly putting too much weight on $12M per year.
The dude Cooper embarrassed from the Dolphins is making for than that....Howard i think.
Heck some bum named Trey Burton is being paid $9M per year to stink for the Bears...... and we are worried about a guy pacing for 1400 yards and 14 TDs getting $12.

mattjames2010 · Oct 14, 2019

Blackspider214 said:
Zeke is not the huge issue. Why don't you bring up how god awful DLaw and Jaylon are? But it seems Jaylon gets a huge pass in the media because of his "journey". He's had one good season and we didn't even wait to see if he could duplicate it. He is not a good player.

Why do they need to be brought up when discussing a single player? Go start a thread on those players, everyone and their mother has criticized them as well.

WillieBeamen · Oct 14, 2019

mattjames2010 said:
Zeke left meat on the bone yesterday and had a chance for a TD but allowed himself to get tripped up. What could have been a fantastic day turned into an average day. It is what it is. That 80 million will haunt us because no RB unless they are next Smith, Peyton, Sanders, or Peterson is not worth that kind of bag.
Zeke needs to be a pure power back at this point while Pollard is our speedy RB that comes in after a defense gets worn down.

When was this

mattjames2010 · Oct 14, 2019

First quarter, I believe. They had Zeke bounce outside, he had Frederick giving a good block, he could have taken it to the house if he had a little more patience.

Sydla · Oct 14, 2019

WillieBeamen said:
I checkmated your point...

Once again

The problem with the Cowboys Isnt the contract of Ezekiel Elliott. At least right now it isnt.

You did no such thing. LOL.

superonyx · Oct 14, 2019

mattjames2010 said:
Why do they need to be brought up when discussing a single player? Go start a thread on those players, everyone and their mother has criticized them as well.

I would hope you know why. People are bringing perspective to this notion that Zeke is somehow earning more than he is producing.

Btw...... How did you feel about all the plays Leonard Williams made for the Jets yesterday? He is earning 15M a year. He has 8 tackles and is waiting for his first sack on the season.

You may not like it but when discussing salary in a capped sport we need to discuss salary of other players to put things in perspective.

Zeke making 12M per isnt a problem. His production warrants it all day in any way you spin it.

Joe Realist · Oct 14, 2019

Zeke will never lead the league in rushing again , and will be cut in years.

WillieBeamen · Oct 14, 2019

Sydla said:
You did no such thing. LOL.

I did

You pointed to teams winning without paying big money to running backs. Those teams have good coaching and or good quarterback play

We have neither.

Kaiser · Oct 14, 2019

CalPolyTechnique said:
When you front load a contract like we did extending Zeke you end up force feeding him to justify the contract.

This is dumber than your usual posts, which is quite an accomplishment.

Elliot's contract isn't front loaded. His cap hit this year is 6.3 Million and his signing bonus was only 7.5 Million. Gurley's signing bonus was 21 Million and Saquon Barkley got a 20 Million dollar signing bonus without ever playing a down in the NFL.

I think you front loaded your vodka before making this post.

ABQCOWBOY · Oct 14, 2019

superonyx said:
I would hope you know why. People are bringing perspective to this notion that Zeke is somehow earning more than he is producing.

Btw...... How did you feel about all the plays Leonard Williams made for the Jets yesterday? He is earning 15M a year. He has 8 tackles and is waiting for his first sack on the season.

You may not like it but when discussing salary in a capped sport we need to discuss salary of other players to put things in perspective.

Zeke making 12M per isnt a problem. His production warrants it all day in any way you spin it.

I think wins are the ultimate success statement. Doesn't matter what any given player does if the team doesn't win. That's illustrated on a weekly basis on this board. Nobody is happy if the team is losing. That's just the truth of it.

aria · Oct 14, 2019

Blackspider214 said:
Zeke is not the huge issue. Why don't you bring up how god awful DLaw and Jaylon are? But it seems Jaylon gets a huge pass in the media because of his "journey". He's had one good season and we didn't even wait to see if he could duplicate it. He is not a good player.

1) Jaylon didn’t sit out with two years left on his contract like a little baby and demand to be the highest paid at his position. If he did that, I would be talking plenty of trash about him as well and would expect him to play to the level of salary he demanded.

2) We may have overpaid but didn’t spend an exorbitant amount of money on him

3) Jaylon isn’t a punk diva purse carrying bully

4) It’s laughable that Zekes defenders now can only say “he’s not the problem”. He shouldn’t be the problem, he should be the exact opposite which he hasn’t been. He hasn’t even faced a top 15 run defense yet and got shut down by the Saints who are in the bottom half of the league against the run. Again, his demands and what they paid him should mean he is a difference maker, he hasn’t been.

superonyx · Oct 14, 2019

I agree.

ABQCOWBOY said:
I think wins are the ultimate success statement. Doesn't matter what any given player does if the team doesn't win. That's illustrated on a weekly basis on this board. Nobody is happy if the team is losing. That's just the truth of it.

But since they are not winning and people want to hang a guy for getting paid while the guy actually produces I think we need to look towards the guys getting paid and not producing.

Maybe if Lawrence could get a few sacks or Jaylon could do something positive or Byron Jones could create a turnover or Martin could hold a block on 2 different 4th downs that he blew then we would have more wins.

The blame is based on old arguments posters lost months ago and they feel they are vindicated now that we are losing. Pretty pathetic really.

Toruk_Makto · Oct 14, 2019

CalPolyTechnique said:
When you front load a contract like we did extending Zeke you end up force feeding him to justify the contract.

Zeke’s game is well-rounded and he has his strengths but that doesn’t mean there aren’t better players in certain facets such as the passing game.

I don’t know what happened to Super Chunk but he’s become a power back; he has very little burst or ability to get past the second-level. Anyone questioning that at this point is in total denial; he’s not that guy anymore.

In 659 carries dating back to 2017, Zeke’s longest run is just 41 yards. His second longest is just 30 yards.

The money spent on Zeke is sunk cost, but the point is I’d much rather see Pollard on play designs where we’ve been throwing to Zeke. Frankly, I’d actually like to see Pollard become part of the regular rotation instead of oddly giving him one series of carries during the game and then not using him again.

We didn't really front load it.

The problem with Zeke's contract is that it is too big, that we paid it, and that he isn't an exceptional player. No real way to get around that.

Toruk_Makto · Oct 14, 2019

ultron said:
Zeke missed all of training camp & we switched offensive coordinators, I knew that would be a huge problem & it's something that not a lot of people talk about. He finally looked like Zeke against the Jets & the Jets have a legit defense (two of the best safeties in football). One thing that disappointed me today was the first or second drive, Travis Fredrick pulled to the right and Zeke had a massive gain - if he cut to the outside he would've been gone, but instead he cut to the inside & FredBeard couldn't get to the DB and it resulted in a nice gain but it could've been a TD and possibly changed the outcome of this game.

Imagine someone saying unironically that Zeke looked like himself yesterday after seeing the man run for 3.75 yards per carry.

Yikes.

ABQCOWBOY · Oct 14, 2019

superonyx said:
I agree.

But since they are not winning and people want to hang a guy for getting paid while the guy actually produces I think we need to look towards the guys getting paid and not producing.

Maybe if Lawrence could get a few sacks or Jaylon could do something positive or Byron Jones could create a turnover or Martin could hold a block on 2 different 4th downs that he blew then we would have more wins.

The blame is based on old arguments posters lost months ago and they feel they are vindicated now that we are losing. Pretty pathetic really.

I don't believe anybody, or at least most, care what a person is getting paid. They care about how much money is available to pay people. That's a very different thing.

This thread is about Zeke but it could just as easily be about Lawrence or Jaylon.

For the record, nobody lost or won anything months ago. Winning is the only statement anybody cares about, no matter how much anybody says differently. If you pay somebody stupid money but it results in Championships, then it's accepted as genius. If it doesn't, then it's monumentally stupid. That's just the way it is.

superonyx · Oct 14, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
I don't believe anybody, or at least most, care what a person is getting paid. They care about how much money is available to pay people. That's a very different thing.

This thread is about Zeke but it could just as easily be about Lawrence or Jaylon.

For the record, nobody lost or won anything months ago. Winning is the only statement anybody cares about, no matter how much anybody says differently. If you pay somebody stupid money but it results in Championships, then it's accepted as genius. If it doesn't, then it's monumentally stupid. That's just the way it is.

In a perfect world you are correct.
Just read some of these people that have been bashing their RB since he was drafted because they didnt get their pet cat ramsey.
Then they pounded their chest when Zeke held out and swore Jerry wouldnt pay him.
Then after they were wrong twice on Zeke they come here and bash him and his salary because the team lost.

I wish you were right. But this is the internet and we have a troll problem around here.

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