You Want Garrett Fired

DallasEast · Oct 17, 2019

Hawkeye0202 said:
Bingo!!!!!!! This is why I believe if Garrett is fired, the new coach could be someone who's more a motivator ( similar to Jimmy) like Mike Tomlin or a defensive coach alone the line of Jack Del Rio or Grey Williams. Jerry has tried to fix this D since Wade Phillips. I don't see them gambling much with the way this team is currently set up offensively. Bring in a proven guy who can fix this D and leave Moore and his guys in charge of the offense.

Bottom line, I can see Garrett and the entire defense staff fired and Jerry hiring a defensive willing to leave the offensive staff in tac.

It would not surprise me if Jones named Moore as head coach. The decision would blow some people's minds though.

Bullflop · Oct 17, 2019

CouchCoach said:
DE, I keep trying to tell them but they won't listen. He does what he wants to do, not what he has to do or needs to do.

Aside from that being fair to say, what also concerns me is the nagging suspicion that Jerry might easily claim injuries as his idea of a valid reason for not firing Jason Garrett. There's not much anyone can say to deny that it's, at least, a factor, if nothing else. I wouldn't be overly shocked at all if Jerry decides to lean heavily upon that idea. There's certainly no denying that he has his own way of looking at things, right or wrong.

PA Cowboy Fan · Oct 17, 2019

Bullflop said:
Aside from that being fair to say, what also concerns me is the nagging suspicion that Jerry might easily claim injuries as his idea of a valid reason for not firing Jason Garrett. There's not much anyone can say to deny that it's, at least, a factor, if nothing else. I wouldn't be overly shocked at all if Jerry decides to lean heavily upon that idea. There's certainly no denying that he has his own way of looking at things, right or wrong.

Maybe a one year extension. Nothing would surprise me with Jones.

Bullflop · Oct 17, 2019

PA Cowboy Fan said:
Maybe a one year extension. Nothing would surprise me with Jones.

gjkoeppen · Oct 17, 2019

Whirlwin said:
And then left when he realized he couldn't have total control

Whirlwind I'd buy that if he only stayed for a season, but he was here for 4 seasons and it's hard to believe that he let it go for 4 years before saying if I can't be the boss I'm leaving. I'm sure that when he was hired that all expectations of all parties were known and agreed to when he signed his contract.
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PA Cowboy Fan · Oct 17, 2019

I knew as soon as T.O. went here that it was BP's last season. You could see it in his face.

gjkoeppen · Oct 17, 2019

DallasEast said:
Jones was a narcissist many many moons before he purchased the franchise.
Narcissistic personality disorder is a BIT more involved than simply wanting attention.

"Jerruh's egotistical, football stupid and greedy" is the commonly repeated observational perspective of Jerry Jones, essentially portraying him as an exceedingly selfish person. In my opinion, it is a widely held evaluation despite Jones having exhibited chronic behavior that has been more than what can be expected normally from any average conceited, ignorant and materialistic everyday Joe or Jane.

And you know all about Jones prior to buying the Cowboys HOW? 99.99% of the people in and out of the metroplex didn't know squat about Jones until he bought the Cowboys. Saying Jone was a narcissist many moons before buying the Cowboys is just an uniformed guess on your part.

I'm glad that you said in your opinion because everything you said is just your opinion and in no way makes it facts. I don't like everything Jones has done but to make up stuff prior to knowing anything about the man is just foolish opinion.
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Hawkeye0202 · Oct 17, 2019

DallasEast said:
It would not surprise me if Jones named Moore as head coach. The decision would blow some people's minds though.

+1 ......I'm 100% confidence he WILL NOT hire another legend/Icon alone the lines of Parcell or any coach wanting complete control.

ghst187 · Oct 17, 2019

Dave Campo > Jason Garrett

DallasEast · Oct 17, 2019

gjkoeppen said:
And you know all about Jones prior to buying the Cowboys HOW? 99.99% of the people in and out of the metroplex didn't know squat about Jones until he bought the Cowboys. Saying Jone was a narcissist many moons before buying the Cowboys is just an uniformed guess on your part.

I'm glad that you said in your opinion because everything you said is just your opinion and in no way makes it facts. I don't like everything Jones has done but to make up stuff prior to knowing anything about the man is just foolish opinion.
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True. It is all speculation on my part. Personality disorders commonly originate in a person's youth or as an early adult. That is partially what I base my assumption upon.

Jones purchased the franchise at age 46. He is 77 now. He has exhibited the exact same personality traits throughout that span. I severely doubt Jones spontaneously manifested a particular personality, of which 99.99% of the people inside and outside of the metroplex have observed during the same timeframe, in his mid-forties, radically opposite from that which he had exhibited in relative obscurity before buying the Dallas Cowboys. Logically, however, anything is possible without further concrete fact.

Pokeness · Oct 17, 2019

ghst187 said:
Dave Campo > Jason Garrett

Yep, Campo didn't have a Will McClay bringing him talent to work with.

Whirlwin · Oct 17, 2019

phildadon86 said:
He makes 6 million now. Same as Garrett without the constant burden of recruiting. Ya why would he not want to be the coach of the cowboys

The better question is why would he.. Yeah let me put my reputation on the line without having total control

Whirlwin · Oct 17, 2019

CapnB said:
Yeah not true, he left because he got burnt out again and admitted that he wished he would have stayed for at least one more year. (2007 kick arse year)

Not true. I can't tell you how I know but totally not true. He didn't have control

Whirlwin · Oct 17, 2019

gjkoeppen said:
Whirlwind I'd buy that if he only stayed for a season, but he was here for 4 seasons and it's hard to believe that he let it go for 4 years before saying if I can't be the boss I'm leaving. I'm sure that when he was hired that all expectations of all parties were known and agreed to when he signed his contract.
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That's when it all started. I know it's just an opinion was too much interference.

Whirlwin · Oct 17, 2019

gjkoeppen said:
Whirlwind I'd buy that if he only stayed for a season, but he was here for 4 seasons and it's hard to believe that he let it go for 4 years before saying if I can't be the boss I'm leaving. I'm sure that when he was hired that all expectations of all parties were known and agreed to when he signed his contract.
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He had so much control. Was allowed to take in all his old players. That started to wear on the franchise. Which started to wear on him

phildadon86 · Oct 17, 2019

Whirlwin said:
The better question is why would he.. Yeah let me put my reputation on the line without having total control

Why wouldnt he?

Whirlwin · Oct 17, 2019

phildadon86 said:
Why wouldnt he?

I could seriously give you 10 viable reasons. It's useless because he's not coming anyway so go Cowboys

gjkoeppen · Oct 17, 2019

DallasEast said:
True. It is all speculation on my part. Personality disorders commonly originate in a person's youth or as an early adult. That is partially what I base my assumption upon.

Jones purchased the franchise at age 46. He is 77 now. He has exhibited the exact same personality traits throughout that span. I severely doubt Jones spontaneously manifested a particular personality, of which 99.99% of the people inside and outside of the metroplex have observed during the same timeframe, in his mid-forties, radically opposite from that which he had exhibited in relative obscurity before buying the Dallas Cowboys. Logically, however, anything is possible without further concrete fact.

So anyone who is proud of their accomplishments and what they have risen above while getting there has a personality disorder. So someone who works hard and manages to first start and run a very successful oil company making him enough money to buy the Cowboys shouldn't be proud of that and do some gloating. Then a man that buys the Cowboys for 300 million dollars in 1989 and that same team is worth 5.5 BILLION dollars now and also now is the most highly valued sports franchise IN THE WORLD and he's not allowed to be proud of that and do some gloating .One of the biggest reason Jones has been as successful as he has been is his salesmanship and his ability to place the Cowboys at the forefront of the league, sponsors, everybody wanting to do business with Jones.
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gjkoeppen · Oct 17, 2019

Whirlwin said:
He had so much control. Was allowed to take in all his old players. That started to wear on the franchise. Which started to wear on him

You're right on that he brought in several of his old players and because of that it proved not to be the winning edge. I also believe the losing wore on him but I also don't think that based on what Jones allowed him to do by getting those players that it was because he could no longer work for Jones that he left.
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DallasEast · Oct 17, 2019

gjkoeppen said:
So anyone who is proud of their accomplishments and what they have risen above while getting there has a personality disorder.

I have never neither said nor implied what you stated. All personality disorders do not hinder individuals' drive or achievements of success.

gjkoeppen said:
So someone who works hard and manages to first start and run a very successful oil company making him enough money to buy the Cowboys shouldn't be proud of that and do some gloating.

Once more, I have neither said nor implied what you stated. All personality disorders do not handicap the ability to "work hard", "own successful businesses" or "gloat". Businessmen such as:

Jack Welch (net worth 750 million)
George Soros (net worth 8 billion)
Bill Gates (net worth 105 billion)

--are recognized as productive narcissists.

And before it is (again) implied that I have stated or implied the above, I suggest reading:

Narcissistic Leaders: The Incredible Pros, the Inevitable Cons
Harvard Business Review
https://hbr.org/2004/01/narcissistic-leaders-the-incredible-pros-the-inevitable-cons

Readers may be surprised by some of the other recognized narcissists of the past and present.

gjkoeppen said:
Then a man that buys the Cowboys for 300 million dollars in 1989 and that same team is worth 5.5 BILLION dollars now and also now is the most highly valued sports franchise IN THE WORLD and he's not allowed to be proud of that and do some gloating .

It may be safe stating there may be a working disconnect with what can make someone a narcissist.

gjkoeppen said:
One of the biggest reason Jones has been as successful as he has been is his salesmanship and his ability to place the Cowboys at the forefront of the league, sponsors, everybody wanting to do business with Jones.

Agreed but I have never said or implied Jones was not a successful businessman.

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