This is a week for Dak to shine

mattjames2010 said:

Russel Wilson had 393 pass attempts and 26 TDs in his rookie season. Dak had 459 pass attempts for 23 TDs. Russel Wilson had a 101.2 rating with 26 TD passes on 407 passing attempts and a Super Bowl win his sophomore year, Prescott had a an 86.6 rating, 22 passing TDs on 490 attempts. The only comparable year between Prescott was Wilson's third season, but even then, Wilson tore it up on the ground with over 118 rushing attempts 800+ yards and 6 rushing TDs. Prescott is now in his 4th season, at this point, Wilson went from a great QB to an elite. Dak has not done this this year.

You're not factoring in pass attempts. Prescott has a low average of TD passes on the number of time he throws the ball compared to Wilson. Again, he compares far more to Smith and Mariota

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You do know Superbowls account to the team, not just the QB, right? Let's not act like Russell didn't have the Legion of Boom during this time.

Yes, the reason why they are comparable is because they are likely moving at the same rate. Believe it or not, Dak and Russell have a lot of the same tangibles. Mobile, linebacker build, etc. No surprise that they are alike. But I'll let you trick yourself into believing Mariota and Dalton are closer to Dak. I provided the stats that you cannot dispute. Dak is closer to Russell than Mariota and Dalton. Once again, good day.

AmariChill said:

You do know Superbowls account to the team, not just the QB, right? Let's not act like Russell didn't have the Legion of Boom during this time.

Yes, the reason why they are comparable is because they are likely moving at the same rate. Believe it or not, Dak and Russell have a lot of the same tangibles. Mobile, linebacker build, etc. No surprise that they are alike. But I'll let you trick yourself into believing Mariota and Dalton are closer to Dak. I provided the stats that you cannot dispute. Dak is closer to Russell than Mariota and Dalton. Once again, good day.

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Russel Wilson's great play played into why they won a Super Bowl. Some of you act as if he didn't do anything in the playoffs or Super Bowl - he did, and he helped put up a couple TDs as well and keep the ball out of Denver's hands. And you can bring up "WINS AREN'T A QB THING" when this board stops bringing up W/L to defend Dak. But moving on.

LOL Dak is a heavy footed QB, he has SOME mobility, but he is not elusive in the pocket like Wilson is. Stating he is is absolute denial. Also, Wilson has had one of the best deep balls since college, Dak has had accuracy issues all over the field....since college.

PAPPYDOG said:

Then Dak should take 15 million a year so we can get more talent around him!

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Budget in enough money to get him that Hermetically sealed pocket he needs. He should be able to get some additional endorsement money from Magnum Commercials after that too

I think what the OP was trying to say is that Prescott needs to play at a higher level. He can't turn the ball over, he has to make the right decisions.

We are making excuses for Dallas with this player out and so on. Many teams in the NFL play with key players out.

Dallas needs the backups and starters to raise the level of their game this week in order to get the win. It's a collective effort, but Prescott is under the most pressure to perform at a high level.

Silverz1972 said:

going to be tough to run against that line.

The defensive backfield is straight trash though. If Dak lays an egg in this game, then you have to really worry and be looking for another QB

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Here's something you obviously didn't think about before making your declaration. The eagles have a very good front 4 that has put pressure on QB's all season. There's still a good chance that the Cowboys will be having backups at both offensive tackle positions so Prescott may not have a whole lot of time to throw down field. He may have to settle for dump off passes to Elliott and Witten and not have many chances to exploit the eagles secondary. The way to do it though is to establish the run game because most of the big plays this season have come off play action and play action only works once the running game is working. If it's not working those defensive linemen aren't hesitating on the Elliott fake and are just pinning the ears back and rushing Prescott.
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You know how you can also take advantage of an aggressive front that often leaves their DBs out on an island. You actually recognize it from the get go, audible on a go route and throw a deep ball to make them honest.

Teams tend to do the above when they don’t respect the QBs arm.

Jim Schwartz was doing that last year to our offense with third string corners off the street and no safety help over top of Cooper. it was working because of Dak until Cooper told Dak to throw him the damn ball because the corners were sitting on the route all day. If Dak was all he was portrayed to be than he would be able to recognize it and take advantage of it regularly.

the Colts then shifted safety help to Cooper and completely shut the offense out and Dak was lost and Tampa followed. If anybody really paid attention they would have noticed that Cooper’s production dropped and outside the play against the Rams where Linehan basically got Cooper in the slot on an inside route isolated, Dak couldn’t find Cooper worth a dime. Even the Buccaneers gave Dak fits, of not for two turnovers generated by the Cowboys in East scoring position for Dak, including one by a Gregory.

As far as the Eagles last year, a couple games later Schwartz ironically went plenty of cover 2 zone against the Rams and Goff and played the deep ball, because of the nature of the Rams offense. That’s actually how teams started getting Goff to struggle.

mattjames2010 said:

He's not asking for just "good money" - he is asking for money comparable to Wilson who is the frountrunner to be NFL MVP. Your argument is garbage because teams overpaid for a QB like Cousins.

You don't have to imitate bad franchises, that's the brilliance of contracts and FA.

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asking, sure why wouldn't he and his agents go for max deal?

doesnt mean he gets it but old Pap says 15..how ridiculous is that, unrealistic, he will get at minimum 30..its that day and age or start over with a new QB, grass isnt really greener and a QB on team winning 10 games year, won a playoff game in his 3rd year ROY, playing well enough to be in 90% of games, etc etc.. it shows hes a franchise guy regardless if hes ranked 10-12 in the league.. thats the market..

I hate the old market terms but for QB its the reality..

we cant control it no matter how much we hate that Tank, EE, JS all got maybe more money then they are worth or ever can live up to, its the new NFL and QB will be the one that way overpays..

they ain't the '85 bears.
so far this season,the mighty unbeaten,unscored upon eagles d is giving up...on avg....435yds on the road....and 29.7pts.

oh no.
whatever will we do.
they are giants to our eyes.
and we are but ants to them.

screw that.
screw them.
WE WILL BEAT PHILLY.
COWBOYS

blueblood70 said:

asking, sure why wouldn't he and his agents go for max deal?

doesnt mean he gets it but old Pap says 15..how ridiculous is that, unrealistic, he will get at minimum 30..its that day and age or start over with a new QB, grass isnt really greener and a QB on team winning 10 games year, won a playoff game in his 3rd year ROY, playing well enough to be in 90% of games, etc etc.. it shows hes a franchise guy regardless if hes ranked 10-12 in the league.. thats the market..

I hate the old market terms but for QB its the reality..

we cant control it no matter how much we hate that Tank, EE, JS all got maybe more money then they are worth or ever can live up to, its the new NFL and QB will be the one that way overpays..

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15 million might be generous when you consider what is coming up defensive wise on the schedule. Have you considered the Cowboys draft a QB in the upcoming draft and Dak bombs in the FA market?
Consider it as it just might become a reality by this spring.....

blueblood70 said:

asking, sure why wouldn't he and his agents go for max deal?

doesnt mean he gets it but old Pap says 15..how ridiculous is that, unrealistic, he will get at minimum 30..its that day and age or start over with a new QB, grass isnt really greener and a QB on team winning 10 games year, won a playoff game in his 3rd year ROY, playing well enough to be in 90% of games, etc etc.. it shows hes a franchise guy regardless if hes ranked 10-12 in the league.. thats the market..

I hate the old market terms but for QB its the reality..

we cant control it no matter how much we hate that Tank, EE, JS all got maybe more money then they are worth or ever can live up to, its the new NFL and QB will be the one that way overpays..

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He didn't just "ask", he turned down a 30 million a year contract.

mattjames2010 said:

He didn't just "ask", he turned down a 30 million a year contract.

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thats in the past.. stop living in the past..contract talk has been shelved..

Wilson has won a SB and was 1 yard away from another SB win. Please stop the Dak to Wilson comparisons. I live in Seattle & am privy to a lot of the Hawk games. There is very little comparison.... maybe in time there will be? One can only hope.Wilson is a complete stud and carries that team. Dak enjoys a great team around him. The talent level on the Seahawks vs. the Cowboys if you take away the QB position is staggering. The Cowboys have a superior team in just about every facet.

romonumberone said:

Wilson has won a SB and was 1 yard away from another SB win. Please stop the Dak to Wilson comparisons. I live in Seattle & am privy to a lot of the Hawk games. There is very little comparison.... maybe in time there will be? One can only hope.Wilson is a complete stud and carries that team. Dak enjoys a great team around him. The talent level on the Seahawks vs. the Cowboys if you take away the QB position is staggering. The Cowboys have a superior team in just about every facet.

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I won't argue Wilson is a top quarterback, that would be silly. Does Dak deserve a Wilson-level salary? No, that would also be silly. Whether it's a team sport or not, there is always a "Super Bowl winning quarterback" every year. Wilson has a win and another appearance (which in some ways he won 2, run Beastmode and it's a a likely win)

But it's worth noting that when he went to the two SBs both years he had the number one defense, without that he's not been back, and lost to Dallas in the playoffs. So the notion of "carrying the team on his back" is also silly, if he did that once or twice, why doesn't he do it every time, if he can "carry the team on his back"?

Dak is owed good money because of several factors:

1. He's young and durable.
2. He has the ability to run/scramble
3. He is a team leader, doesn't make excuses when he plays poorly.
4. He doesn't turn the ball over a lot.

In today's NFL, that gets you big bucks, Cousins and Stafford have never won a playoff game yet get $28 and $27 million a year. So a playoff win is easily worth another $2 million a year, like it or not...

PAPPYDOG said:

According to some here he is a Franchise 35 million $ QB.
We'll enough of the excuses as Franchise QB win games even in a Not perfect scenario...

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If that’s the case, Troy airman wasn’t a franchise qb, half the team is in the HOF. Mahommes definitely isn’t either because his head coach thinks defense is optional like he’s playing in the big12. It’s a long season everytime if your qb is expected to win games like this.

LACowboysFan1 said:

I won't argue Wilson is a top quarterback, that would be silly. Does Dak deserve a Wilson-level salary? No, that would also be silly. Whether it's a team sport or not, there is always a "Super Bowl winning quarterback" every year. Wilson has a win and another appearance (which in some ways he won 2, run Beastmode and it's a a likely win)

But it's worth noting that when he went to the two SBs both years he had the number one defense, without that he's not been back, and lost to Dallas in the playoffs. So the notion of "carrying the team on his back" is also silly, if he did that once or twice, why doesn't he do it every time, if he can "carry the team on his back"?

Dak is owed good money because of several factors:

1. He's young and durable.
2. He has the ability to run/scramble
3. He is a team leader, doesn't make excuses when he plays poorly.
4. He doesn't turn the ball over a lot.

In today's NFL, that gets you big bucks, Cousins and Stafford have never won a playoff game yet get $28 and $27 million a year. So a playoff win is easily worth another $2 million a year, like it or not...

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The fact that you mention Cousins getting big money should end this argument. It was a mistake to pay a "good" QB that much money. Why should we repeat the same stupid mistake?

Silverz1972 said:

going to be tough to run against that line.

The defensive backfield is straight trash though. If Dak lays an egg in this game, then you have to really worry and be looking for another QB

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I agree 100%. This is where your $35 million year QB needs to stop the bleeding. All the good QBs would have stopped it last week regardless of injuries. Not saying Dak has been playing horrible but it hasn't been good either. For player who will take up good portion of the team salary cap he better start showing it against good teams.

hopemsu said:

If that’s the case, Troy airman wasn’t a franchise qb, half the team is in the HOF. Mahommes definitely isn’t either because his head coach thinks defense is optional like he’s playing in the big12. It’s a long season everytime if your qb is expected to win games like this.

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In today's Salary cap NFL, Troy (and i like the guy) would have never sniffed a Superbowl

You know how you can tell when a guy is a franchise QB type?

Look no further than last week..

The jets were horrible on offense.
Sam Darnold comes in and completely changes everything..

Same scheme, same players on offense, same coaches. Insert a franchise QB and that team looked completely different. Reminded me of the Romo years

romonumberone said:

Wilson has won a SB and was 1 yard away from another SB win. Please stop the Dak to Wilson comparisons. I live in Seattle & am privy to a lot of the Hawk games. There is very little comparison.... maybe in time there will be? One can only hope.Wilson is a complete stud and carries that team. Dak enjoys a great team around him. The talent level on the Seahawks vs. the Cowboys if you take away the QB position is staggering. The Cowboys have a superior team in just about every facet.

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Open your eyes and see our (Dak) version QB of the guy below.....he just didn't have Zeke and all that talent around him. I wonder does Dak play Baseball?

blueblood70 said:

thats in the past.. stop living in the past..contract talk has been shelved..

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LOL "stop living in the past" - yeah bro, he's just totally going to accept far less than the very offer he turned down just a few months ago. Yes, he's just going to ADMIT he's an average quarterback.

Right man.

LACowboysFan1 said:

I won't argue Wilson is a top quarterback, that would be silly. Does Dak deserve a Wilson-level salary? No, that would also be silly. Whether it's a team sport or not, there is always a "Super Bowl winning quarterback" every year. Wilson has a win and another appearance (which in some ways he won 2, run Beastmode and it's a a likely win)

But it's worth noting that when he went to the two SBs both years he had the number one defense, without that he's not been back, and lost to Dallas in the playoffs. So the notion of "carrying the team on his back" is also silly, if he did that once or twice, why doesn't he do it every time, if he can "carry the team on his back"?

Dak is owed good money because of several factors:

1. He's young and durable.
2. He has the ability to run/scramble
3. He is a team leader, doesn't make excuses when he plays poorly.
4. He doesn't turn the ball over a lot.

In today's NFL, that gets you big bucks, Cousins and Stafford have never won a playoff game yet get $28 and $27 million a year. So a playoff win is easily worth another $2 million a year, like it or not...

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1. Plenty of QBs are
2. He is actually heavy footed and not elusive in the pocket
3. This is said about every QB by every fan base
4. He's ultra conservative, which leads to low TD total as well

You just explained a game manager, he's not asking for game manager type money. And Wilson HAS carried his team, that "Bad O-Line" you people here talk about, Wilson was playing with now uber drivers as offensive lineman for about 3 years and still put up good numbers. Dak loses one tackle in 2017 and an RB and has one of the worst QB stretches I've ever seen from the Atlanta game to the Chargers.