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gjkoeppen said:
Let me get this straight. If an opposing coach runs his mouth off (and later back tracks a lot) and the Cowboys coach doesn't bite on the bait that there is something wrong there? Gee Buddy Ryan used to fill the bulletin boards with quotes before Cowboys games and Landry would say NOTHING about them. Never took the bait and said things for the eagles bulletin board but somehow that was alright but when Garrett does the same thing it's wrong. As far as the deer in headlights, too many here don't want to acknowledge that the Cowboys had both starting offensive tackles missing last Sunday, as well as a guard and Cooper (except the first couple of plays) and Cobb and then losing both starting corners. These same people just say next man up which is fine if you're talking about maybe a starter or 2 gone but when you have that many backups playing it's pretty unrealistic to just say next man up. If those backups were so good they wouldn't be backups. Those backup tackles were critical for both parts of the offense, passing and rushing and Prescott was under pressure all game long.
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It’s very likely injuries will cost the Cowboys this game. Most teams have a game or two a year where they look more like a MASH unit. That’s why it’s imperative a team takes advantage of the injury situation when it’s in their favor. The Cowboys didn’t do that.
 
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erod said:
Missing one or both tackles.

Fletcher Cox on Conner Williams.

That could be game over right there.
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i just spit coffee all over my screen

sweet heavenly father, please have mercy on Williams and Prescott
 
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At the same time, isn't this exactly the type of game where Dallas pulls out a win when no one is expecting it? At some point they have to start catching the breaks, right?
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They have lost some big games on SNF during Garrett’s tenure— and they have had some suprising wins too.

Garrett does tend to play better against the division— and of course this same team battled back from 3-5 last season— so sure, anything is possible.

I would love for them to come out and storm the Eagles, take an early lead, never look back, and play their most complete game of the season.

However— that would be a shocking result IMO. This team looks like it has NO ANSWERS for what is wrong with it except making lame excuses about injuries.

Philly has a very aggressive coaching staff on both sides of the ball. Sure— they may lose a game— but they play loose and leave it on the field.

Dak and Zeke, Zach and Tyron, Witten and Frederick are proven warriors— but on D? We got a lot of guys who love to strut and pose but are not nearly good enough when it comes to making plays and disrupting an offense. Part of it is the scheme... but part of it is also the players mentality.

I hope they prove me wrong and crush Philly on Sunday—but I will believe it when I see it and they prove it on the field in a big game against a quality opponent
 
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Hawkeye19 said:
Yep. There is a classy way to fire a shot back at Pedersen. There is MOST DEFINITELY a time when a coach steps up and guarantees a win (see Jimmy Johnson)— BUT he has to know the pulse and mentality of his team.

This team is reeling and playing bad football. If you can’t motivate your team to come out and play their best football at home, against their number one division rival, with the division lead on the line—- then you are an ineffective HC. Period.

The fact that there has been zero smack talk swirling this week in response to Pedersen’s boast is indicative of a soft team. Also their play the last three games is indicative of a soft team

And your excuse making regarding injuries is weak sauce. EVERY team deals with injuries. Move on. Coach better. Scheme better. Execute better. Football is a sport that comes down to imposing your physical will against your opponent and punishing them into submission. We don’t have a very physical team this year... they are playing not to make mistakes— they need to play to destroy their opponents will to win.
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I find it funny, not ha ha funny, that you're already commenting on what and how the Cowboys will come out and play BEFORE the game has even been played. I see you want the Cowboys to give fill up the eagles bulletin board with more incentives to play harder against the Cowboys.

Yes the Cowboys are reeling BUT because they had FIVE starters on offense missing against the jets. Ya every team can overcome the loss of almost half of their offensive starters at least in your mind. Give the jets some credit for having a game plan that took advantage of both starting tackles missing putting Prescott in constant pressure when trying to pass. Not to mention that only once did the refs call a late hit on the many Prescott took during that game..

Now tell me all the teams that lost half of the starting offense and went on like nothing happened. Your next man up or coaching better is fine if it's 1 or MAYBE 2, but half you're dreaming.
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Hawkeye19 said:
Been thinking about this game with Philly this week. I HATE the Eagles. Can't stand em. I desperately want Dallas to destroy them. I really hope my analysis is wrong and I HAVE to eat crow on Monday.

BUT-- I can't shake the read I have on Dallas and this upcoming game. In looking at where both of these teams are right now-- even though they both are at 3-3 and have had their share of ups and downs-- these squads appear miles apart to me.

Why?

Philly is getting healthy in the secondary and D Jax is coming back. Dallas? CBs hurting. OL hurting. WRs hurting.

Mentality? Pedersen confident and calling a W. Dallas? SSDD. No emotion. No passion evident. No responding shot fired.

Matchups? Philly offense vs our D is scary. Ertz kills us regularly. D Jax historically kills us. We can't stop the run. Poor pass rush. Advantage Philly. Dallas Offense vs Philly D? Cooper likely to miss. Beat up OL taking on a highly aggressive quality DL? Trouble for sure.

Who has the buzz saw coming into this game? I can easily see Philly coming out aggressive and swinging. Bringing a more physical game-- and I can easily see Garrett and company crawling into their conservative shell and going into shellshock.

Who has the body language of a team with fighting spirit? Philly for sure. Dallas looks like a deer in head lights. Especially on Defense. We have decided to run the "Bend over and Break down and Cry" defense.

In the end-- as much as I hope I am wrong-- I see a one sided beatdown coming on Sunday.

Philly 38
Dallas 21

I hope and pray I am wrong and get to eat my prediction on Mon. Sorry fellow fans. I have zero confidence in this coaching staff to pull this team out of it's death spiral this week.
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This, just don't see the fire from the boys and going in the wrong direction and not only losing games but physically getting beat up in the process.
 
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gjkoeppen said:
I find it funny, not ha ha funny, that you're already commenting on what and how the Cowboys will come out and play BEFORE the game has even been played. I see you want the Cowboys to give fill up the eagles bulletin board with more incentives to play harder against the Cowboys.

Yes the Cowboys are reeling BUT because they had FIVE starters on offense missing against the jets. Ya every team can overcome the loss of almost half of their offensive starters at least in your mind. Give the jets some credit for having a game plan that took advantage of both starting tackles missing putting Prescott in constant pressure when trying to pass. Not to mention that only once did the refs call a late hit on the many Prescott took during that game..

Now tell me all the teams that lost half of the starting offense and went on like nothing happened. Your next man up or coaching better is fine if it's 1 or MAYBE 2, but half you're dreaming.
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Did they play well when they were healthier against the Saints or Pack? I rest my case.

This team has underachieved. Period. I dont need to point out how other teams overcome injuries. Winning teams literally fo it every year.
 
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gjkoeppen said:
I find it funny, not ha ha funny, that you're already commenting on what and how the Cowboys will come out and play BEFORE the game has even been played. I see you want the Cowboys to give fill up the eagles bulletin board with more incentives to play harder against the Cowboys.

Yes the Cowboys are reeling BUT because they had FIVE starters on offense missing against the jets. Ya every team can overcome the loss of almost half of their offensive starters at least in your mind. Give the jets some credit for having a game plan that took advantage of both starting tackles missing putting Prescott in constant pressure when trying to pass. Not to mention that only once did the refs call a late hit on the many Prescott took during that game..

Now tell me all the teams that lost half of the starting offense and went on like nothing happened. Your next man up or coaching better is fine if it's 1 or MAYBE 2, but half you're dreaming.
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wonder how the approach goes if missing the starting QB in your opinion...

Does a starting QB’s value, the extension of the coach, the guy who touches the ball every single snap every offensive play, possibly equal 2 or more starting offensive players? Can the loss of his services possibly equal more than these you have mentioned?

The reason I mention is because Bridgewater seems to be doing okay. Kyle Allen in Carolina and even the Minshew kid in Jax. Brissett gets an honorable mention too.

I believe this same opponent went on a slightly epic run with a backup QB and both tackles ailing.

Now reverse it and tell me Cooper Rush could pull a Nick Foles.

It IS excuses. These backup o linemen are not total Chaz greens. It IS next man up AND coaching.

That’s NFL football in 2019.
 
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Hawkeye19 said:
Did they play well when they were healthier against the Saints or Pack? I rest my case.

This team has underachieved. Period. I dont need to point out how other teams overcome injuries. Winning teams literally fo it every year.
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As I've said teams do next man up when it is just 1 maybe 2 players but to TRY to push next man up when half of your starting offense is out is foolishness to the nth degree. Tell me all the teams that have been successful and gone on long winning streaks with half of the offensive starters missing.

Now the packers game there were both starting receivers out, left tackle out, then during the game the right tackle out. With that they stacked the lien of scrimmage and left little running room and no starting receivers, Prescott sacked 4 times, hit 15 times, 5 holding penalties. Gee could backups on the line have anything to do with that?

Every year before the season starts I wish like a lot of Cowboys fans that they go undefeated and win the Super Bowl, but I also know that's happened only ONCE in the 60 seasons the Cowboys have been around so it not to likely that it will happen again. I also don't stop hoping for a trip to the Super Bowl as long as the Cowboys haven't been mathematically eliminated and at this point being on top of the division they have a chance to go to the Super Bowl. You may have stopped hoping and I really don't care if you have, but don't expect everyone to stop hoping.
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wonder how the approach goes if missing the starting QB in your opinion...

Does a starting QB’s value, the extension of the coach, the guy who touches the ball every single snap every offensive play, possibly equal 2 or more starting offensive players? Can the loss of his services possibly equal more than these you have mentioned?

The reason I mention is because Bridgewater seems to be doing okay. Kyle Allen in Carolina and even the Minshew kid in Jax. Brissett gets an honorable mention too.

I believe this same opponent went on a slightly epic run with a backup QB and both tackles ailing.

Now reverse it and tell me Cooper Rush could pull a Nick Foles.

It IS excuses. These backup o linemen are not total Chaz greens. It IS next man up AND coaching.

That’s NFL football in 2019.
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Here's the flaws in your rant. Both Bridgewater and Foles WERE starting QB before their backkup roles. They had experience prior to being backups. Bridgewater had a serious injury and the vikings got Cousins because of that. Foles was the starter for the eagles before he bounced around a few teams before coming back to the eagles. Your question on Rush compared to QB's who have starting experience and Rush who has ZERO regular season snaps is foolishness.

Your statement "I believe this same opponent went on a slightly epic run with a backup QB and both tackles ailing" if you were referring to Foles Super Bowl run, he did it with both starting tackles. In fact at the time the eagles were consider to have one of the better O-lines that year.

As I've said, when it 1 or MAYBE 2 players then next man up is expected but it's totaly unrealistic to expect next man up with half of your starters out.
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Here's the flaws in your rant. Both Bridgewater and Foles WERE starting QB before their backkup roles. They had experience prior to being backups. Bridgewater had a serious injury and the vikings got Cousins because of that. Foles was the starter for the eagles before he bounced around a few teams before coming back to the eagles. Your question on Rush compared to QB's who have starting experience and Rush who has ZERO regular season snaps is foolishness.

Your statement "I believe this same opponent went on a slightly epic run with a backup QB and both tackles ailing" if you were referring to Foles Super Bowl run, he did it with both starting tackles. In fact at the time the eagles were consider to have one of the better O-lines that year.

As I've said, when it 1 or MAYBE 2 players then next man up is expected but it's totaly unrealistic to expect next man up with half of your starters out.
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Oh, it happens...
Zimmers 2017 NFC championship team that played Foles and the Eagles.

pay particular attention to first losing Bridgewater, then trading a first round pick for Bradford and losing him to ACL game two and then promoting HOF Case Keenan who played 14 out of the 16 regular season games

Lost Dalvin Cook to injury-ACL game one

Additionally, the starting 5 offensive linemen from 2016 had one carry over

So 4 out of 5 starting o linemen replaced

Okay, if your hanging your hat on Bridgewater and Foles prior starting experience as QB as so important why is Kyle Allen and doing so well this year?


and wait....
Didn’t Dak go 13-3 “with no experience”

injuries are always an excuse.

Period

Some teams know how to coach and play effective ball around them
 
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75boyz said:
Oh, it happens...
Zimmers 2017 NFC championship team that played Foles and the Eagles.

pay particular attention to first losing Bridgewater, then trading a first round pick for Bradford and losing him to ACL game two and then promoting HOF Case Keenan who played 14 out of the 16 regular season games

Lost Dalvin Cook to injury-ACL game one

Additionally, the starting 5 offensive linemen from 2016 had one carry over

So 4 out of 5 starting o linemen replaced

Okay, if your hanging your hat on Bridgewater and Foles prior starting experience as QB as so important why is Kyle Allen and doing so well this year?


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Didn’t Dak go 13-3 “with no experience”

injuries are always an excuse.

Period

Some teams know how to coach and play effective ball around them
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You COMPLETELY missed the point I was making. The Bridgewater and Foles prior experience was why Foles on the eagles Super Bowl season and Bridgewater this season has been ab;e to step in and do well and because of their prior experience and you asking about what if Rush had to go in with ZERO regular season snaps under his belt. Nobody knows for sure what would happen although some can make an educated guess and it if that happens it's doubtful that he could carry himself like a Bridgewater of Foles with their prior experience.
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You COMPLETELY missed the point I was making. The Bridgewater and Foles prior experience was why Foles on the eagles Super Bowl season and Bridgewater this season has been ab;e to step in and do well and because of their prior experience and you asking about what if Rush had to go in with ZERO regular season snaps under his belt. Nobody knows for sure what would happen although some can make an educated guess and it if that happens it's doubtful that he could carry himself like a Bridgewater of Foles with their prior experience.
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Huh?
Ohhhhh.... kayyyyyyyy

And as to the Vikings example given of multiple starters missing to your original premise that a team can’t endure those type losses?

And concerning quarterback and Bridgewater/Foles experience correlation to success in the field

Hmmm....
Did the GOAT start a lot before Bledsoe?
Warner before Green?
Hostetler before Simms?

not sure, but these backups that were thrust into starting roles after the starter being injured enjoyed both a successful year and careers thereafter


And again, you didn’t mention Dak

he went 13-3 after Romo and Moore were injured with NO prior experience

So you have a point...Not “every” backup without prior starting experience will do well.

Backups “WITH” prior starting experience SHOULD be expected to perform at a higher level than backups with little to no starting experience in MOST occasions.

In SOME cases, as I have given, the prior starting experience was IRRELEVANT to their success.

As a matter of fact, it’s the exact scenario of how the Best ever QB was given his shot
 
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Dallas won't win this lmao. This game is going to be an exception to that rule. We are too banged up, our coaches and players have given up, and Philly isn't as injured plus they are hungry for the division and have better coaching.
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its the exact threads copy and past from last years Sunday night showdown with us 3-5 on the road, we had no chance..

huh OT thriller for the WIN..funny how that game turned the saeson and both teams in similar spot ..
 
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Huh?
Ohhhhh.... kayyyyyyyy

And as to the Vikings example given of multiple starters missing to your original premise that a team can’t endure those type losses?

And concerning quarterback and Bridgewater/Foles experience correlation to success in the field

Hmmm....
Did the GOAT start a lot before Bledsoe?
Warner before Green?
Hostetler before Simms?

not sure, but these backups that were thrust into starting roles after the starter being injured enjoyed both a successful year and careers thereafter


And again, you didn’t mention Dak

he went 13-3 after Romo and Moore were injured with NO prior experience

So you have a point...Not “every” backup without prior starting experience will do well.

Backups “WITH” prior starting experience SHOULD be expected to perform at a higher level than backups with little to no starting experience in MOST occasions.

In SOME cases, as I have given, the prior starting experience was IRRELEVANT to their success.

As a matter of fact, it’s the exact scenario of how the Best ever QB was given his shot
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At no time in any of my posts did I ever say that a QB with no prior experience could not do well. It's not as often as you seem to think. The list is a mile long of QB drafted high in the first round and beyond that turned out to busts. Even a QB taken with the 1st pick was a bust, JaMarcus Russell. The point I've made a couple of times is that with Bridgewater and Foles doing/did well and their coaches had little fears when they went in because of their prior starting experience. As you pointed out, Prescott as a rookie went 13-3 and when he joined the team he was the 3rd string. As you said due to injuries to Romo and Moore in the preseason he jumped up to starter. For the life of me I just don't understand that the odds are so much higher that a QB with some starting experience will do better than a QB with none. Yes there are exceptions, but not as many as you seem to thing otherwise there wouldn't be a list a mile long of bust QB's.
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Not much of anything would surprise me...

But frankly I expect a WIN.

Some will be eating crow, some of us serving it.
 
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Hawkeye19 said:
They have lost some big games on SNF during Garrett’s tenure— and they have had some suprising wins too.

Garrett does tend to play better against the division— and of course this same team battled back from 3-5 last season— so sure, anything is possible.

I would love for them to come out and storm the Eagles, take an early lead, never look back, and play their most complete game of the season.

However— that would be a shocking result IMO. This team looks like it has NO ANSWERS for what is wrong with it except making lame excuses about injuries.

Philly has a very aggressive coaching staff on both sides of the ball. Sure— they may lose a game— but they play loose and leave it on the field.

Dak and Zeke, Zach and Tyron, Witten and Frederick are proven warriors— but on D? We got a lot of guys who love to strut and pose but are not nearly good enough when it comes to making plays and disrupting an offense. Part of it is the scheme... but part of it is also the players mentality.

I hope they prove me wrong and crush Philly on Sunday—but I will believe it when I see it and they prove it on the field in a big game against a quality opponent
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I agree with a lot of what you've said. Only this is the type of game we win. It doesn't make much sense, but it kind of feels that way to me. Of course Im going off the last practice reports and having a bunch of those injured guys practicing helps my optimism. We will see who actually plays come Sunday.
 
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