Do you think the players believe in each other?

StarBoyz83 · Oct 17, 2019

Hard to believe they do at this point.

All 3 phases of the team havent looked good.

CB61 · Oct 17, 2019

CouchCoach said:
Coaching is one thing but for a team to really be a team, it is their belief and trust in each other that brings that together.

When they walked off that field in NY, was that a team of players believing in each other?

It might be the injuries affecting it and their challenges to play well missing starters or the fact they've had to come back from 28 and 18 down only to come up short but their posture was all wrong.

I didn't see leaders stepping up except the QB and that could be because of their playing doesn't represent leadership. Lee and Witten haven't played very well and neither has Yosemite.

Since they were in the thick of it, it might be hard for them to see it at the time but how could Prescott's play and giving himself up to make plays not inspire them and that might have been what sparked the comeback but they looked like a team that had just been blown out by 21 points leaving that field.

We get to find out about this team Sunday night. Are they a team or a gathering of individuals? Can they forget who's not on the field and focus only on who is? But most of all, will they play for their HC like they're defending him.

That's the tell on this coaching situation. I read that team in NY as not being coach friendly coming off that field and there may be some loyal to him players that are counter to the others. Hard to be a team when they can't come together for the coach. Because then, they can't come together for each other.

Belief is an amazing component. Have that, a person can do things beyond themselves. Lose it and they can fail to live up to their own bare minimum.

It's not about the X's and O's this week, it's about something far more basic than that. I do think the Eagles players still have that but I am not sure about our Cowboys and belief will not be about the final score, we will know about belief long before that game is over. They can lose the game but if they've lost belief, they've already lost the season.

That's a pretty good question that the owner should be asking and the head coach and every coach on that staff but anyway college coach good question! Did you like all the rhyming they did their LOL

CB61 · Oct 17, 2019

CB61 said:
That's a pretty good question that the owner should be asking and the head coach and every coach on that staff but anyway college coach good question! Did you like all the rhyming they did their LOL

Couchcoach !!!! Damn phone

G2 · Oct 17, 2019

CouchCoach said:
That's pretty positive, not sure I share that. And I am attaching a lot to how I saw them exit that field, could have been just abject disappointment for a failed comeback after a failed comeback and I am reading too much into that. But that's what I do, I watch people and their posture to try and ascertain insight into a deeper hole. If I'd been that lion, tinman or scarecrow, I'd have pulled that curtain back long before they let Toto do it.

That speaks nothing about believing in each other. Of course they're going to look depleted, they lost a close game.

Vtwin · Oct 17, 2019

If they don't then now is when the dreaded players only meeting gets called.

Bobhaze · Oct 17, 2019

CouchCoach said:
Coaching is one thing but for a team to really be a team, it is their belief and trust in each other that brings that together.

When they walked off that field in NY, was that a team of players believing in each other?

It might be the injuries affecting it and their challenges to play well missing starters or the fact they've had to come back from 28 and 18 down only to come up short but their posture was all wrong.

I didn't see leaders stepping up except the QB and that could be because of their playing doesn't represent leadership. Lee and Witten haven't played very well and neither has Yosemite.

Since they were in the thick of it, it might be hard for them to see it at the time but how could Prescott's play and giving himself up to make plays not inspire them and that might have been what sparked the comeback but they looked like a team that had just been blown out by 21 points leaving that field.

We get to find out about this team Sunday night. Are they a team or a gathering of individuals? Can they forget who's not on the field and focus only on who is? But most of all, will they play for their HC like they're defending him.

That's the tell on this coaching situation. I read that team in NY as not being coach friendly coming off that field and there may be some loyal to him players that are counter to the others. Hard to be a team when they can't come together for the coach. Because then, they can't come together for each other. Belief is an amazing component. Have that, a person can do things beyond themselves. Lose it and they can fail to live up to their own bare minimum.

It's not about the X's and O's this week, it's about something far more basic than that. I do think the Eagles players still have that but I am not sure about our Cowboys and belief will not be about the final score, we will know about belief long before that game is over. They can lose the game but if they've lost belief, they've already lost the season.

Excellent post.

Coach, I have often wondered a few things about this team lately that may have locker room implications:

This 3 game slide may have triggered some feelings among these players- feelings like, “We’ve seen this before...this coach getting out coached, placing us in a hole...” or “This guy doesn’t even have a contract for next year yet. Why should I bust my A for a guy who may be gone soon?” And so on...

When Zeke got his contract so easily this summer despite Jerry’s faux outrage over the “holdout”, what effect did that situation have on the locker room for some other guys whose contracts were closer to needing action than Zeke’s? Once again, having a coddling, sugar daddy owner inherently creates potential for bad locker room feelings. When your owner plays favorites, it’s never good for team chemistry.

If after 9 seasons, your head coach is repeating some of the same mistakes year after year, how can there not be some bad vibes on the team?

I don’t know if any of the above things are accurate, but I would be surprised if they weren’t.

nobody · Oct 17, 2019

ABQCOWBOY said:
That's only 50 players. We are missing three...........

3 view football as a religion and live, breathe, and eat it regardless of how they get paid.

ABQCOWBOY · Oct 17, 2019

DeathMonkey said:
3 view football as a religion and live, breathe, and eat it regardless of how they get paid.

Thats better......... :laugh:

CouchCoach · Oct 17, 2019

DeathMonkey said:
3 view football as a religion and live, breathe, and eat it regardless of how they get paid.

PK, P and Deep Snapper.

CouchCoach · Oct 17, 2019

Vtwin said:
If they don't then now is when the dreaded players only meeting gets called.

I mentioned that in another thread, the Jets had one before they played us. You think Booger would let them have one without someone there to take notes for him?

Asklesko · Oct 17, 2019

It is largely the HC's job to get the players believing in one another, and I don't think he's doing the job.

Shane612 · Oct 17, 2019

Vtwin said:
If they don't then now is when the dreaded players only meeting gets called.

That only work if there is a clear cut leader on the team. Maybe even 2 or 3.
I don't think there is such a player on this Cowboys team.

CouchCoach · Oct 17, 2019

Asklesko said:
It is largely the HC's job to get the players believing in one another, and I don't think he's doing the job.

The only HC I've seen do that is Belichick because his players feel he wouldn't put someone out there that will not do their job and he picks his players. Most of the other HC's are given the players.

Would Garrett have been able to make the payers believe in Chaz Green in ATL? Could he make them believe in Cassel or Weeden?

Most players will start off believing in their teammates but this team just went through something most players don't go through. All, virtually all, of this off season was about making the DE the highest paid at his position and then the holding out RB the highest paid and when they weren't the subject, the QB's contract was. Do you think all of these players are immune to the money that was being thrown around? That's one issue, what if these two highest paid at their position players are not playing up to it and the other players know that? Everybody wants some but not everybody's getting some and those players all know Elliott's deal, as well as Lawrence's, is going to affect how much others get. If they didn't know, their agents made sure they know now.

Vtwin · Oct 17, 2019

CouchCoach said:
I mentioned that in another thread, the Jets had one before they played us. You think Booger would let them have one without someone there to take notes for him?

He's probably got the entire facility under video surveillance under the 'jocks to socks act' of 1989.

GMO415 · Oct 17, 2019

These players just care about their bank balance

Asklesko · Oct 17, 2019

CouchCoach said:
The only HC I've seen do that is Belichick because his players feel he wouldn't put someone out there that will not do their job and he picks his players. Most of the other HC's are given the players.

Would Garrett have been able to make the payers believe in Chaz Green in ATL? Could he make them believe in Cassel or Weeden?

Most players will start off believing in their teammates but this team just went through something most players don't go through. All, virtually all, of this off season was about making the DE the highest paid at his position and then the holding out RB the highest paid and when they weren't the subject, the QB's contract was. Do you think all of these players are immune to the money that was being thrown around? That's one issue, what if these two highest paid at their position players are not playing up to it and the other players know that? Everybody wants some but not everybody's getting some and those players all know Elliott's deal, as well as Lawrence's, is going to affect how much others get. If they didn't know, their agents made sure they know now.

Well, I certainly do agree with that. The GM's recent contract actions have had catastrophic effects on this team's effort level...

But about Chaz Green. 99 percent of our players are at a much higher talent level then him. No coach could help that. But is moot, since Garrett and his terrible schemes preclude everything else. With so little hope from above, there is no hope among the players, for the players next to them. The coach is getting nothing out of the players, and the players have given up. I still have faith in these players, but they need a new coach.

Vtwin · Oct 17, 2019

Shane612 said:
That only work if there is a clear cut leader on the team. Maybe even 2 or 3.
I don't think there is such a player on this Cowboys team.

It does seem that way from the outside looking in. Which is unfortunate since we've been lead to believe the leadership intangible has been strong the last three and a half years.

CouchCoach · Oct 17, 2019

GMO415 said:
These players just care about their bank balance

Agree, that is priority #1 but it is professional football.

The money part of it hasn't jaded me, I think after all of that gets settled, it becomes what it's always been about to them, playing well and being there for their teammates. However, I do think the ones that "haven't been taken care of" might be a little more back on the money part of it. Human nature, I would be too. I am not playing that for my health but to endanger it and I would want to be paid well for that.

The Cowboys have one thing no other team has and if posters don't think this is a problem, they don't know human nature. They have the worst have/have not situation in the NFL. They have 6 players in the top 6 and 2 are at the top paid at their position. They added to this with the QB comp talk most of the off season and into the season. The QB didn't make any friends with his "everybody can get paid" BS, the agents know better and so do their players. They re-signed the MLB early and invested in his business, which should be investigated by the league. The Cowboys FO put the Pro in Pro football unlike any team since the Eagles did the Dream Team, thinking that wouldn't have an effect on the players, or the Steelers with Brown and Rothliesberger, not thinking that wouldn't create a Bell problem. Think Cousins getting that 28M a year and then stinking it up didn't have a blow back on the team? It's not always about the money bit that money being earned by the player in the eyes of the other players.

Show me one team, any NFL team, that made the off season all about the money and did anything that season. It's not just about managing the cap, it's also about managing the effect big money has on the team. I do not think the Cowboys have done any better than PHL or PIT did. The difference is the Cowboys players know they can make the owner blink.

Whirlwin · Oct 17, 2019

I don't see the camaraderie on the field no. That's leadership. That's the biggest thing I see lacking next is motivation and preparation. And you can't win without any one of those aspects

Bobhaze · Oct 17, 2019

Whirlwin said:
I don't see the camaraderie on the field no. That's leadership. That's the biggest thing I see lacking next is motivation and preparation. And you can't win without any one of those aspects

Yeah...it’s no coincidence that in the last two games, the Cowboys were down double digits before half. Starting slow is killing this team.

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