Jets asking price for Adams is one 1st and two 2nd rounders

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Asklesko said:
Ashamed in Jerry. He should have pulled the trigger.
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I disagree..


We’re too good at drafting to give up that much for a player that doesn’t even cause a lot of turnovers..

I’m glad he tackles well though but I think we can get similar production if we actually invest a day 1 or 2 pick in a player instead of day 3 and Udfa guys.
 
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darthseinfeld said:
They talked up needing a Safety last offseason, then offer 1st's for Minkah and now Adams.

I wouldn't be shocked if the FO wanted one of the Safeties in the 2nd and got sold on Hill by Marinelli. I can see them going hard after a Safety this offseason
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Didn't know we made an offer for Fitzpatrick........where you hear that.
 
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PJTHEDOORS said:
So you guys don't want to replace Byron Jones with that 1st in next years draft i'm guessing. Are fine with Awuzie & Lewis next year with maybe a 2nd or 3rd on a CB in the draft? We still need to upgrade the DT spot too with Collins & Woods (I think) leaving. Quinn at DE will be a free agent too.
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Not sure why we need to replace Jones with a first-rounder. Re-signing Quinn isn't impossible for us either (although I'm not sure we do it if Gregory actually returns). Frankly, I would but Dallas could decide to go cheap there. I don't see Woods leaving, but Collins will probably be gone because he will want more than he's worth.
 
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I think the agent told him exactly what happened and Adams got emotional....

And it has been reported THE COWBOYS inquired about Adams, the Jets didn't dangle him out there. The phone rang, the GM answered, the GM listened, the GM told the Cowboys what they had to give up to get him....and it was more than what Adams is worth, and the Jets knew this. The GM did his job. Adams is too emotional to understand this. Even Tom Brady grasps this concept that any player can be traded.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...rning-that-the-49ers-wanted-to-trade-for-him/

Brady was asked about the 49ers' trade request during his weekly radio appearance on WEEI in Boston.

"I have never really thought about that either, but I wouldn't see why that wouldn't be -- I mean, everyone has the opportunity to go to another team or get traded, or cut, or released," Brady said, via WEEI.com. "I have played with so many great players that that has happened to, several times, and coaches too. Player movement is not new to anyone. You try and play well and try and add value to the team and you try and be a great player and if you're not a great player for the team you are on then you try and be a great player for the other team that you are on."
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The difference is a price was put on the player. The Jets wanted a 1st and 2 second round picks. I don't remember the Patriots telling the 49ers how many picks they wanted for Brady. I'm not justifying Adams "how dare they" reaction. But clearly, there was a negotiation over his future unbeknownst to him and he's free to react. If this leads to him not to wanting to play for the Jets, then fantastic.
 
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gimmesix said:
That's a second-rounder too steep IMO. A first in 2020 and second in 2021 would have been fair. As I mentioned in another thread, I could have even seen the second being made conditional, with the Jets getting a 1 in 2021 if Adams reached certain levels of play.
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I’m not sure he was worth a 1 at this point. Granted our 1 should be 15 or below, but you are going to have to pay him (like Amari) at some point. You can’t do that very many times before your cap gets wrecked. Amari is going to leave a mark as it is.

A player like that is worth a second rounder because you are probably going to get a 3rd round comp pick out of him if he departs.
 
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I’m not sure he was worth a 1 at this point. Granted our 1 should be 15 or below, but you are going to have to pay him (like Amari) at some point. You can’t do that very many times before your cap gets wrecked. Amari is going to leave a mark as it is.

A player like that is worth a second rounder because you are probably going to get a 3rd round comp pick out of him if he departs.
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I'm sorry, but that's just crazy talk. A young Pro Bowler taken with the sixth overall pick not being worth a 1 in the third year of his career? I can understand the concern over paying him, but that's the price of talent. We could choose not to pay and continue having middling talent like Heath at the position instead.
 
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Risen Star said:
A 1 and two 2's means they weren't really looking to trade him. They wanted to rob someone.
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Obviously JJ didn't offer Heath or it would have been a straight up trade. No way the Jets could have turned down that level of talent.
 
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gimmesix said:
I'm sorry, but that's just crazy talk. A young Pro Bowler taken with the sixth overall pick not being worth a 1 in the third year of his career? I can understand the concern over paying him, but that's the price of talent. We could choose not to pay and continue having middling talent like Heath at the position instead.
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Or we could use that pick to draft a premium safety prospect and have five years of of control. Or at least try playing the safety we drafted that had the top rookie pff grade in the preseason.
 
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CowboysWillRise said:
Awesome man congrats. Ive been in the same league for nearly 20 years now. Good times. Hit me up if you ever need another league mate.
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Hell yea man! I started our league 13 years ago. Every year we've done a live draft. So I hope you don't mind flying in! These pheasants on this board don't know the pressure of being so awesome at being a team owner.
 

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I am glad Dallas did not give up a 1st & 2 2nd's. But in fairness to the Jets who drafted him 6th overall, how much would it cost a team drafting around 25th overall to move up to 6th overall? Probably at least a couple 2's. Also the 1st round of the draft is 50-50. Adams has proven to be a very good player.

For Dallas they would be drafting at the back end of each draft as well.... so it is not much different than a 2nd & two 3's.

I would have offered them a 1st, 4th, & Hill.
 

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I'd give a first and two twos for Ronnie Lott..Adams ain't him. Glad they passed

Even if they did manage to get him, come draft day folks would be complaining about not having draft pics.lol
 
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gimmesix said:
I'm sorry, but that's just crazy talk. A young Pro Bowler taken with the sixth overall pick not being worth a 1 in the third year of his career? I can understand the concern over paying him, but that's the price of talent. We could choose not to pay and continue having middling talent like Heath at the position instead.
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Well, that all depends on perspective, doesn’t it? Mo Claiborne was picked near that same general area. Is Mo worth that? Of course not.

A player’s relative value varies like the stock market. You want to buy low and sell high, and not vice versa.

Just because the first worked out with Amari doesn’t mean that it will work out with the next guy. Moreover, just because we whiffed on Galloway and Roy Williams doesn’t mean we should never trade for a player.

The higher the compensation, the greater the risk. The Amari trade looks great right now, but how much howling will there be if we end up letting him walk at the end of this year? Or what if he signs a Dez type of contract and gets hurt and can’t play?

These situations are more fluid than you would expect. I’m just sayin’.
 
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rocyaice said:
I ge tthe argument for keeping it. Its probably smarter for us to keep it with our draft record. We draft pretty well.

But then I think about giving up a 1st and a 2nd for Mo.....and that's not in hindsight I'm saying even knowing what we knew draft night. We were getting the best corner prospect in the draft. We did it knowing he could potentially be a bust. Adams didn't come with that uncertainty. He seems to be on track for a great career.

To me what the Jets asked for was fair. But I understand why someone wouldn't' want to trade all of that for a safety.
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Its not fair for a guy you are going to have to pay 15 million a year in one year. Its not fair for a guy you can try to sign for nothing in a year.

If he had 3 years left on his deal, maybe that's fair. They obviously like him very much, they were just putting it out there to see if they could get something crazy for him.
 
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Well, that all depends on perspective, doesn’t it? Mo Claiborne was picked near that same general area. Is Mo worth that? Of course not.
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I think Claiborne is a good example of exactly why Adams is worth more than our first-round pick. The draft is a crapshoot. As much as you want the first round to be a sure thing, you still end up with players like Claiborne and Taco Charlton. Because of that, when a player lives up to his first-round value, he's actually worth more than a first-round pick that you have no idea how it will turn out.

Adams is a 24-year-old Pro Bowl safety. He would have been under contract probably playing at a high level for at least 2.5 years. Claiborne's years with us were mostly a waste. Same with Charlton's. Hill looks like he might go that same way as a second-round pick (although that could change). Adams is a young player with proven value and that doesn't come cheap.
 
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