I grow more and more frustrated with Rod Marinelli

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One thing that I really hate about Marinelli is his inability to stop Aaron Rodgers.

DC's like Dan Quinn, James Betcher, and Vic Fangio have shut him down in the postseason while we let him enjoy the pocket and gash our defense freely without WR1.
 

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After reflecting on yesterday's Jamal Adams trade deadline scramble, several things occurred to me.
  1. The idea that the Cowboys were willing to give up next year's 1st rounder as well as a 4th or 5th rounder for a safety represents a huge shift in prior thinking going back to the draft, when they passed on Juan Thornhill for everyone's favorite gameday inactive, Trysten Hill.
  2. Tyrone Crawford - after a poor start - is now on IR, along with the $10 million that the decision to keep him cost this team. His Cowboys career and NFL career entirely, likely over. And yet we heard and continue to hear how "valuable" and irreplaceable the guy was? Meanwhile, the defensive line continues to perform better when the guy isn't on the field?
  3. Taco Charlton. Exactly how many 2017 1st round picks have been released to this point without suspensions or injury being the reason? And again, who was it that overruled the scouts on draft day to draft Taco over TJ Watt.
With every one of these moves, and counter-moves needed as a result, I grow more and more frustrated with Rod Marinelli. I connect every one of this team's biggest faults, failings, and issues directly to decisions he was instrumental in making. And those are just the 'big three". We can also look at all of the disappointments that have come and go during his time here as well, like Cedric Thornton, Stephen Paea, Henry Melton, and plenty more.

I've simply had it with the guy and he's gone from being a top defensive line coach to a serious liability for this organization. They need to stop looking at the distant past and look at what this guy is doing now, and has done over the past several years here. Don't tell me about "Tampa and Chicago", tell me about "Dallas", that's the team I care about.

Like his mentor Monte Kiffin before him, this guy needs to go.
It reminds me of another bumbling drafttard in Larry Lacewell. What a HORRIBLE judge of talent that moron was. When you think of how bad the drafts were after our Super Bowl glory years, he's the main reason. Oh, and that inbred hillbilly owner who trusted him in the first place. I couldn't wait for the day Lacewell was gone from our personnel decisions. Marinelli is right up there with him.
 

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It reminds me of another bumbling drafttard in Larry Lacewell. What a HORRIBLE judge of talent that moron was. When you think of how bad the drafts were after our Super Bowl glory years, he's the main reason. Oh, and that inbred hillbilly owner who trusted him in the first place. I couldn't wait for the day Lacewell was gone from our personnel decisions. Marinelli is right up there with him.

Sadly he's reached that point, yes. A total liability at this point. But, like Linehan, yet someone else we'll have to try to 'survive' for one more year.
 

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:laugh:mad at Crawford because he is hurt.

And @stasheroo my man, you aren't getting more frustrated. you've been pulling your hair out over the defense for a long, long time. you're just keeping it that way.
 

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Exactly how I felt last year midseason.

Like the guy but it's time to move on. His player acquisition philosophy and coaching off-season and training don't translate anymore.

Time waits for no one.
 

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:laugh:mad at Crawford because he is hurt.

Nice failed attempt at oversimplification.

And @stasheroo my man, you aren't getting more frustrated. you've been pulling your hair out over the defense for a long, long time. you're just keeping it that way.

And I'm continuing to be right about it too. Don't omit that part of your equation while you try to "laugh off" yet more failure because it's an inconvenient truth that some - like yourself -can't handle.
 

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Was he really a great coach or the beneficiary of great talent?

Marinelli's name is more about the man and the respect people have for him rather than his coaching acumen. He's not the first coach to get his rep from his players, Lovie Smith, Buddy Ryan, Marvin Lewis and the latest, Dan Quinn.

He developed DeMarcus Lawrence. Quinn is having a resurgence compared to his last few years. Collins has played well when healthy. Who saw Woods being the contributor he is? Not to mention getting several JAG guys their best seasons.

Talent without direction/coaching gets you the Browns. For all the talk about how much he sucks, Marinelli has done a great job with the defense. I think the fans here are just wanting perfection and anything short of that is grounds for dismissal.

It's crazy how much Zoners whine about coaching when this team is at least playoff caliber while also being one of the youngest teams in the league.
 

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After reflecting on yesterday's Jamal Adams trade deadline scramble, several things occurred to me.
  1. The idea that the Cowboys were willing to give up next year's 1st rounder as well as a 4th or 5th rounder for a safety represents a huge shift in prior thinking going back to the draft, when they passed on Juan Thornhill for everyone's favorite gameday inactive, Trysten Hill.
  2. Tyrone Crawford - after a poor start - is now on IR, along with the $10 million that the decision to keep him cost this team. His Cowboys career and NFL career entirely, likely over. And yet we heard and continue to hear how "valuable" and irreplaceable the guy was? Meanwhile, the defensive line continues to perform better when the guy isn't on the field?
  3. Taco Charlton. Exactly how many 2017 1st round picks have been released to this point without suspensions or injury being the reason? And again, who was it that overruled the scouts on draft day to draft Taco over TJ Watt.
With every one of these moves, and counter-moves needed as a result, I grow more and more frustrated with Rod Marinelli. I connect every one of this team's biggest faults, failings, and issues directly to decisions he was instrumental in making. And those are just the 'big three". We can also look at all of the disappointments that have come and go during his time here as well, like Cedric Thornton, Stephen Paea, Henry Melton, and plenty more.

I've simply had it with the guy and he's gone from being a top defensive line coach to a serious liability for this organization. They need to stop looking at the distant past and look at what this guy is doing now, and has done over the past several years here. Don't tell me about "Tampa and Chicago", tell me about "Dallas", that's the team I care about.

Like his mentor Monte Kiffin before him, this guy needs to go.

I used to defend Rod. I have gone 180 on this. He is a big part of the problem.
 

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Taco was a bust for us but I also think a lot of that is he has a bad attitude and not a hard enough worker. Trysten Hill we know nothing about yet. He's not ready to go day one but there are a lot of lineman who aren't strong enough in their first season or two who come alive year 3.
 

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Most NFL franchises are about the business of winning. This franchise is about the business of making sure the owner is comfortable and happy. He likes Marinelli and Marinelli likes him and doesn't make waves. Things are just fine.

:thumbup:AND THAT is the Cliff's Notes version of what the Cowboys are and it carries over to every aspect, not just the football.
 

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He developed DeMarcus Lawrence.

3.5 sacks for $20 million a year. Glad you're happy.

Quinn is having a resurgence compared to his last few years.

Quinn was great before he ever got here. It's pathetic that you would now try to give Marinelli credit for his work.

Collins has played well when healthy.

That depends on what you consider "well".

Who saw Woods being the contributor he is?

Is "contributor" now the limbo bar of expectations and attempted defense?

Not to mention getting several JAG guys their best seasons.

Who's that exactly? More fan fabrication?

Talent without direction/coaching gets you the Browns. For all the talk about how much he sucks, Marinelli has done a great job with the defense. I think the fans here are just wanting perfection and anything short of that is grounds for dismissal.

And some fans will lie to themselves to make anything look better. Your post here is clear proof of that.

It's crazy how much Zoners whine about coaching when this team is at least playoff caliber while also being one of the youngest teams in the league.

What's truly "crazy" is how much the Homers whine when presented with truth that they don't like and can't handle.

Refute the points made. You can't so instead you resort to the sad practice of trying to "shoot the messenger". The usual homer approach.[/quote]
 

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Hypocritical, not inconsistent. You want to try to blame "CZ posters" and divert attention from the real screw-ups? Then be prepared to be called out for someone who wanted to keep Crawford around. Call out "CZ posters", get called out yourself.

That doesn't make sense. What I posted consistently was what the team (and likely most of the NFL) thought. If it is at odds with your rabid dog view of Crawford it doesn't make me a hypocrite.

Posting about the conspiracy theories of posters here - you in particular - doesn't change reality. Crawford was on the roster until he went on IR.
 

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Quinn was great before he ever got here. It's pathetic that you would now try to give Marinelli credit for his work.

Quinn had 6.5 sacks in 16 starts last year, he has 6 in 5 starts this year. That is more about the talent around him than Marinelli, but its ax-grinding to pretend its somehow a negative for Marinelli.
 

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That doesn't make sense. What I posted consistently was what the team (and likely most of the NFL) thought.

Nope. Sorry you don;t get to try to slide in "likely most of the NFL" to cover up your bull****. Fail.

If it is at odds with your rabid dog view of Crawford it doesn't make me a hypocrite.

No, your "shoot the messenger" attempt does, while being someone who wanted to keep the guy around. You try to take shots at others because you can't handle inconvenient truths. It happens all the time. Your failed attempt here being the most recent example.

Posting about the conspiracy theories of posters here - you in particular - doesn't change reality.

And what "reality" is that? The one you continue to create in your head because you continue to be unable to handle any sort of bad news?

Crawford was on the roster until he went on IR.

And what? Some assessment there...
 

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Quinn had 6.5 sacks in 16 starts last year, he has 6 in 5 starts this year. That is more about the talent around him than Marinelli, but its ax-grinding to pretend its somehow a negative for Marinelli.

Where did I ever say it was a "negative for Marinelli"? Oh, that's right, I didn't. But continue to make up false crap because you can't handle the truth.

What I did do was to dispute the other guy's failed notion that Marinelli should somehow be given credit for it, and something Quinn has done his entire career. You homers want to also go back and give Rod credit for Quinn's 19 sacks in 2013 too?
 
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